Participants
Everyone the recording shows taking part. Names follow the project's dialogue file; no minutes were available to check spellings against, so spellings of non-members are as the transcription heard them and are marked where unverified. School board members first, then the City Council, the legislative delegation, staff and the public.
| Name | Role | Participation |
| Brian Rapp | School Board Chair | Opened the joint discussion and handed the agenda to the mayor; asked a representative to sound out the governor; proposed that lead screening be required to register for kindergarten; summarized the board's budget work and invited those present to stay for the budget session. |
| Chris Irish | School Board Vice Chair | Asked that all members get legislative notices; urged pressing the incoming education commissioner; asked about mandatory reporting of lead results and landlord enforcement; spoke for the collective bargaining agreements as separate warrant articles; proposed moving field-light electric bills into the school's name for E-Rate. The dialogue file splits his speech across two diarizer clusters. |
| Frank Sprague | School Board member | Present at roll. Asked about follow-up and industry pushback when a child's lead source is traced (medium-high confidence). |
| Alex Herzog | School Board member | Present at roll; no speech attributed. |
| Patrick Adrian | School Board member | Marked not present at roll; arrived later. Asked where the bill's sponsor stood; spoke on lead education and on district partnership and sponsorship policies. |
| Michelle Pierce | School Board member | Marked not present at roll; arrived later (medium confidence). Urged working with landlords on lead; proposed a personal care certification program. |
| Charlene Lovett | Mayor | Called the council to order (the dialogue file's assignment of the opening words is content-based); led the agenda; read the joint letter supporting HB 525; reported on lead screening and proposed the joint committee; summarized the city budget. Rendered Mayor Levitt and Charlie Levitt. |
| Allen Damren | City Councilor | Asked whether the lost stabilization money is "the new normal"; suggested industry training at the technical center. Rendered Councilor D'Amour and Damron. |
| Bruce Temple | City Councilor | Asked where the governor stood; cited the Vermont governor's call for school budget freezes. |
| Keith Raymond | City Councilor | Described lead-safe work rules from his window business and the gaps in them (medium-high confidence). |
| Pope | City Councilor | Asked for the town-by-town stabilization spreadsheet. First name not said. |
| Nicholas | City Councilor | Urged pushing lead screening first; asked about shared vehicle leasing (medium confidence). Surname not said. |
| Carolyn Towle | City Councilor | Recognized as Councilor toll; spoke for expanding adult education. The project roster treats her council service in 2016 to 2017 as a hypothesis; this recording is consistent with it. |
| Victor Bergeron; John Simon (as transcribed) | Names heard in the council roll call | Heard in the council roll only; no speech attributed. Spellings as transcribed and unverified. |
| Unidentified councilor | City Councilor | Recommended inviting adult education director Amy Hood to a future meeting (from 1:34:30). |
| Gauthier | State Representative | Called the bill "a life support for now"; offered the stabilization spreadsheet; spoke of private meetings with the superintendent; discussed tax base and natural gas. First name not said. |
| O'Connor | State Representative | "This this issue crosses party lines." Supported the bills and the lead effort. First name not said. |
| Unidentified state representative | State Representative | Forwarded the mayor's letter to the delegation; described committee assignments and a special education funding vote; suggested scheduling the next joint meeting before the House budget vote in early April. The attribution report offers two candidates by name; neither is confirmed, and this page names neither. |
| Middleton McGoodwin | Superintendent, SAU 6 | Testified with the mayor that day; described the stabilization losses; committed the district to the lead policy and committee; spoke on capital planning and technical center access. Rendered Doctor McGovern, Superintendent Goodwin. |
| Cory LeClair | Assistant Superintendent, SAU 6 | Described the kindergarten registration and screening partnership with Valley Regional Hospital (medium-high confidence). |
| Fulton | Member of the public | Recognized by the chair; proposed a communications person shared by the city and district to track legislation. First name not said; the chair's Mr. falter earlier is probably the same name. |
| Unidentified speaker | Member of the public or councilor | Proposed rental-property lead inspections, citing Minnesota (1:03:03). |
| Roll callers | Staff | The council and school board rolls are read by voices the dialogue file leaves unidentified. |
Order of business (reconstructed)
No agenda for this meeting was available, so this list is reconstructed from the mayor's transitions. A written agenda existed: the mayor says the letter "is on the back of your agenda". Hover over (or Tab to) a clipped entry for the full text.
| Taken up | Item | Agenda text / disposition |
| 0:00:00 | Call to order, pledge, council and school board roll calls | Council called to order by the mayor; both rolls read by unidentified voices. |
| 0:02:01 | Education stabilization grants (HB 525) | "the first item on our agenda is the education stabilization grants". Report on testimony, reading of the joint letter, discussion with the representatives. Action steps stated at 0:40:18: the chair, mayor, superintendent and new city manager to work with the delegation. No vote. |
| 0:40:49 | Lead poisoning | Follow-up to the November joint meeting's presentation. Action items stated at 1:11:09: school board lead-screening policy by the next school year; an education campaign; a joint committee by consensus. No vote. |
| 1:12:31 | City and school budget updates | "the final item on our agenda is city school and city budget updates". Followed by a wider discussion of revenue ideas and adult and technical education. |
| 1:41:16 | Next joint meeting | Mayor: probably the end of March, before the House budget vote. |
| 1:44:08 | Adjournment | Chair Rapp called for the motion; seconded; voice vote. |
Discussion timeline
Chronological, from the dialogue CSV. Times are the start of the cited exchange, taken from the CSV's own second count. Hover over (or Tab to) a clipped cell for the full entry.
| Time | Topic | What was said | Flags |
| 0:00:00 | Call to order and rolls | The mayor: "I called a meeting of the city council to order." The school board roll reads "Doctor Alex Herzog here. Yeah. Michelle Pierce, he's not here. Frank Sprague here. Chris Irish here." and "Frank is not here. And a Patrick Adrian is not here." | OBSERVATION |
| 0:02:01 | The 4% stabilization reduction | Mayor: "according to law that had already been passed, the stabilization grants were going to be reduced by 4% on an annual basis". The letter was drafted after "there was consensus from both the board and the the council that I draft a letter". | OBSERVATION OBSERVATION |
| 0:03:35 | Testimony in Concord | "Superintendent Goodwin and I traveled down to Concord this morning to testify before the committee." Superintendent: "Claremont has had a loss of almost $400,000 for this fiscal year." and over 18 years "the district will have a reduction totaling 5.8 million." | OBSERVATION |
| 0:07:15 | The joint letter read aloud | The mayor apologized: "I'm sorry I did not get this to you any earlier, but it was hot off the press today at about 430 this morning." The letter: "on behalf of the Claremont City Council and the Claremont School Board. I support HB 525" and "Claremont holding the highest tax rate in New Hampshire". | OBSERVATION |
| 0:14:10 | Representatives on the bill | Gauthier: "I'm convinced that we can't rely on what the state says it's going to do." An unidentified representative forwarded the letter to the delegation and noted two Sullivan County members sit on House Education. O'Connor: "we're either going to all survive together or we're going to perish together." | |
| 0:18:25 | Getting legislative notice in time | The mayor asked how both bodies could learn of hearings in time; Irish: "today of all days, I would have gone down as well." Agreed to route notices through the school board and municipal associations and the representatives (the mayor's Nema is NHMA). | OBSERVATION |
| 0:23:23 | The new normal? | Damren: "That becomes our new normal. Does it not?" Temple asked about a veto; Gauthier: "But it's a Republican effort." | OBSERVATION |
| 0:27:07 | The governor and the commissioner | Irish: the governor is about to nominate a "New commissioner of education. I'd love for somebody to start pressing him." | |
| 0:32:10 | Spreadsheets and private meetings | Councilor Pope asked for "a town by town spreadsheet of gains and losses"; Gauthier has one and described "another private meeting" with the superintendent, offering the same to "anybody else in this room who wants to have a private meeting with me." Irish asked that the spreadsheet be emailed to the superintendent for everyone. | |
| 0:35:07 | Public comment: Fulton | "if the city of Claremont and the Claremont School District shared a communications person, say, half time" whose jobs could include "legislative tracking." | POSITIVE |
| 0:40:18 | Action steps on the grants | Mayor: "the chair myself. You, Mr. Superintendent Goodwin and the new city manager worked with the delegation to make that happen" | |
| 0:40:49 | Lead screening progress | "the state goal is 100% screening of children 0 to 6." Hospital pediatricians screened 137 in twelve months, 46 of them in December and January; a donated portable testing machine "valued at $2,500" with about 144 free tests. | |
| 0:44:56 | A kindergarten screening policy | Mayor: "set a school board policy in place, so that you're ready to get 100% screening of children entering kindergarten?" Rapp: "it should be a policy that we have that all kids that come in had to have been screened to be able to register." Irish: "We just need a policy." Superintendent: "This is a top priority." | OBSERVATION |
| 0:48:18 | Pending state lead legislation | A bill "that would put more teeth into the state's recommendation" was still being negotiated; the mayor proposed free lead-safe certification training for technical center students. The mayor on current law: "Currently in law, if the blood level is 1010 ML" a protocol starts (speaker's characterization; not verified here). | OBSERVATION |
| 0:52:29 | Sources and enforcement | Sprague asked about "pushback. I think from industry". Irish asked whether lead results are mandatory reporting; the mayor: "As soon as they test, it's sent off to the state." Raymond: "But that's not required right now. So that's the problem." Rapp: "Could that be a city ordinance?" | |
| 1:03:03 | Rental inspections and a joint committee | An unidentified speaker: "Shouldn't we have some sort of inspections on rental properties?" The mayor proposed "a committee that has various stakeholders" with "representation from the hospital, someone from the school district, someone from the city, someone from the county". | OBSERVATION |
| 1:11:09 | Lead action items and committee | Mayor: "the school board will be working on a policy to be in place by the beginning of the next school year." and "Is there a consensus among the two bodies to put together that, committee to organize this education campaign?" Superintendent: "The school district is definitely on board." Volunteers to contact the chair or the mayor. | OBSERVATION OBSERVATION |
| 1:12:31 | School budget update | Mayor: the school board "in order to be compliant with state law, had to have one of their budget hearings on the same night as the city council." Rapp: "we've worked very hard to to find the money without affecting children's education." and "So we invite you to also stay for that." | |
| 1:14:48 | City budget update | Departments asked for level-funded and 5% decrease options; "our health insurance costs went up 23.1%." The council would take up elderly exemption income limits the next night. "We can't cut our way out of this that we just can't." | |
| 1:20:04 | Capital planning together | The mayor proposed sharing capital improvement plans; the superintendent: "we'd have over 20 buckets in that public school." before a roof replacement, and maintenance money was "being compromised a bit with fiscal year or 18 budget." | |
| 1:22:08 | Contracts as warrant articles | Irish: "those will be a separate Warren articles" and "it's crucial that we approve those". | |
| 1:23:47 | Tax base | Gauthier: "what we need is 1.5 billion in assessments." The mayor steered back to the agenda at 1:27:20. | |
| 1:28:02 | Shared services and adult education | Councilor Nicholas asked about joint vehicle leasing; the superintendent described a new high school schedule for fall 2018 to widen technical center access; Damren and Towle urged industry and adult training; a councilor suggested inviting Amy Hood; Pierce proposed a personal care program; Adrian described new partnership policies. | |
| 1:39:08 | Field lights and E-Rate | Irish: "E-Rate would then rebate roughly 75% of that cost." The mayor referred it to the superintendent and the incoming city manager, who "will start on February 1st." | |
| 1:41:16 | Next meeting | An unidentified representative: the House budget vote is expected "either April 5th or April 6th"; the mayor: "I would probably say end of March." | |
| 1:44:08 | Adjournment | Rapp: "Motion to adjourn." Voice vote. | |
Items flagged for review
Flags are a reviewer's aid generated by comparing the meeting against the law in force on January 24, 2017. Several provisions cited below were later amended, and each flag cites the text as it then read. They are not findings of violation, and nothing here is legal advice. Where no verified rule applies, the flag says so and is recorded as an observation. This page has no HIGH or MEDIUM flag; six flags follow, ordered by severity.
OBSERVATION A letter in the name of both governing bodies went to the legislature on a prior meeting's consensus; the members first saw its text the day it was sent
The mayor explained at 0:02:42 that at the previous joint meeting "there was consensus from both the board and the the council that I draft a letter", and that she then drafted it. It was addressed to the House Education Committee "on behalf of the Claremont City Council and the Claremont School Board" and had already gone to school board members, councilors and the county delegation by email that morning (0:03:13). She apologized that it was "hot off the press today at about 430 this morning" and read it aloud "for the benefit of the public". Neither body voted on the text at this meeting. Irish said at 0:18:58 that more members would have gone to testify had they known of the hearing.
No statute this page verified requires a vote before a letter is sent in a public body's name, and the letter's substance matched what both bodies had discussed publicly. The point for a reader is that the text of a statement made for the school board as a body was not approved by the board in any recorded vote; the previous joint meeting (about a month and a half earlier, per the chair at 0:01:45) is not in the recorded corpus, so the consensus cannot be checked.
Sources: the recording at 0:02:42, 0:07:15 and 0:08:20. No statute identified.
OBSERVATION The proposed joint lead-education committee would carry Right-to-Know duties once either body forms it
The mayor proposed at 1:04:08 "a committee that has various stakeholders", with members from the hospital, the district, the city and the county, and asked at 1:11:40 for "a consensus among the two bodies to put together that, committee". School board members were to volunteer through the chair and councilors through the mayor. RSA 91-A:1-a, VI(d) in force in 2017 defines a public body to include a school board "or any committee, subcommittee, or subordinate body thereof, or advisory committee thereto", so a committee formed by either body to advise it would need posted notice and minutes under RSA 91-A:2, II. Whether the committee was ever formed, and how, is not in any record available here; a reviewer following the lead-policy story should look for its notices and minutes.
Sources: RSA 91-A:1-a, VI(d) (source note ends 2008, 354:1, so unchanged for the whole 2015 to 2022 corpus): committees and advisory committees are public bodies; RSA 91-A:2, II (2016 codification, the text for calendar 2017): notice and minutes.
OBSERVATION The school board committed to a kindergarten lead-screening policy, with the chair proposing screening as a condition of registration; no statute was cited either way
The chair asked at 0:45:25 whether "The the intent is to have that be a requirement?" and proposed that "all kids that come in had to have been screened to be able to register.", comparing it to vaccination. The mayor recorded the action item that "the school board will be working on a policy to be in place by the beginning of the next school year.", and the superintendent called it "a top priority." The legal basis for making screening a condition of enrollment was not discussed, and this page did not verify any New Hampshire statute in force in January 2017 that either authorizes or bars such a condition. The mayor's description of the state's blood-lead action threshold is her characterization and is not verified here. The policy's final wording, and whether it made screening mandatory, can be checked in the board's later records.
Sources: the recording at 0:44:56, 0:45:35 and 1:11:09. No statute verified; recorded as an observation.
OBSERVATION The officials' account of the stabilization grant cut matches the statute then in force; the dollar projections are their own
The mayor said at 0:02:01 that under "law that had already been passed" the grants would fall "by 4% on an annual basis". RSA 198:41, IV(d), as amended in 2015 and in force in January 2017, provided that the stabilization percentage "shall be 96 percent for fiscal year 2017, and shall be reduced by 4 percent of the amount of the 2012 education grant for each fiscal year thereafter". So the four-percent-a-year phase-out the speakers described was the statute as written, not a budget choice by the state that year. The superintendent's figures (a loss of "almost $400,000 for this fiscal year", over $1 million a year by 2020, 5.8 million over 18 years) are his projections and were not checked against the Department of Education's grant tables. The outcome of HB 525 (2017) was not verified for this page.
Sources: RSA 198:41, IV(d) (2016 codification; source note ends 2016, 85:9, eff. July 18, 2016): stabilization grant reduced by 4 percent a year from FY2017.
OBSERVATION Two bodies met, and neither body's notice, agenda or minutes could be inspected; the school board had a quorum at roll
The school board roll at 0:01:01 shows four of seven members at the table (the chair, Herzog, Sprague and Irish), a quorum; Pierce and Adrian arrived later. The council roll is only partly audible, so the council's quorum is not established from the recording, though the mayor and at least six named councilors take part. Both bodies decided action items by consensus rather than by vote. In 2017 RSA 91-A:2, II required notice of "the time and place" of each meeting and minutes that "shall include the names of members, persons appearing before the public bodies, and a brief description of the subject matter discussed and final decisions", open to inspection "not more than 5 business days after the meeting".
What was inspected: the district's Drive shares, which reach back only to July 2022 (MAP.md, checked 9/26/26). What was not: the city clerk's records, where a joint meeting's city-side notice, agenda and minutes would sit; the city's online archive could not be read by this project's fetcher. So this is the online-availability observation under the project's missing-records rule, applied to the school board side only, and it says nothing about the city's own records. The mayor's reference to "the back of your agenda" shows a written agenda existed.
Sources: RSA 91-A:2, II (2016 codification; source note ends 2016, 29:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2017): notice and minutes; City of Claremont, Council Minutes and Agendas (not readable by the fetcher, 2026-09-26); Input/SupportingDocuments/MAP.md section 25.
POSITIVE The city, the school board and the legislative delegation coordinated in a televised public session, and a resident was heard
The two governing bodies met jointly with several of Claremont's state representatives on the record, with the recording carried by Claremont Community Television, and worked through a shared agenda of state aid, child lead exposure and budgets. The chair recognized a resident, Fulton, at 0:35:07, who proposed a shared communications position; the discussion also drew a suggestion from the floor on rental inspections. No statute required either body to take public comment in 2017 (RSA 189:74, which now requires it of school boards, dates from 2022, 333:1). One contrast is worth recording for balance: a representative invited members to meet him privately (0:32:59); nothing on the recording shows that any quorum did so.
Sources: RSA 189:74 (source: 2022, 333:1, eff. Sept. 6, 2022): not in force in 2017.
Appendix: source files
Official and public sources
Project files
Working files this page was built from. The dialogue file is linked; the others are not published with the page.
Dialogue/8884 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint012417.mp4.CSV (454 attributed rows; the basis of this page)
Input/Videos/8884 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint012417.mp4
Input/Transcripts/8884 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint012417.mp4.json
Scripts/attribution_reports_2015_2023/8884 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint012417.mp4.md
Input/SupportingDocuments/MAP.md, section 25
Laws and rules cited on this page
- New Hampshire statutes, as in force on January 24, 2017. RSA 91-A:1-a, VI(d) (committees as public bodies; unamended since 2008). RSA 91-A:2, II (notice and minutes; 2016 codification, the text for calendar 2017). RSA 198:41, IV(d) (stabilization grant phase-out; 2016 codification). RSA 189:74 (public comment period), cited only to show it post-dates this meeting.
- Bills mentioned on the recording, not verified: HB 525 (2017 session, education stabilization grants) and an unnumbered lead poisoning prevention bill then being drafted.