Claremont School Board & City Council, Joint Meeting, January 24, 2017

Joint meeting of the Claremont City Council and the Claremont School Board, with members of Claremont's House delegation, on education stabilization grants (HB 525), lead poisoning, and the two bodies' budgets. The page is built from the CCTV recording's dialogue transcript; no agenda, packet or minutes survive in the district's online shares. Timestamps link to the same moment in the Cablecast recording.

Body
Claremont City Council and Claremont School Board (Claremont School District, SAU 6), meeting jointly; members of the Claremont House delegation attended
Date
Tuesday, January 24, 2017
Start time
Not stated in available records. The council is called to order at 0:00:00; the school board roll is called at 0:01:01; the joint meeting adjourns at 1:44:20. The dialogue transcript runs 1:44:24. The school board's own budget meeting followed the same evening.
Location
Not stated in available records. A councilor refers to "the facility that we're sitting in now between culinary arts and building trades" (1:28:17) and the superintendent calls it "a wonderful facility" in a discussion of tech-center access (1:29:23), which points to the Sugar River Valley Regional Technical Center.
Recording
Cablecast: CITY COUNCIL / SCHOOL BOARD MEETING 1-24-17 (transcript length 1:44:24; run time from the Cablecast API not retrieved, the API returned 403 on 2026-10-02)
Minutes
None located in the district's shares. MAP.md records no Drive material for this meeting: neither share holds a year folder older than 2022, and the Meeting Minutes share starts at 2023 (checked 9/26/26). The city clerk's records were not inspected.
Board composition
School board: seven seats; the chair plus Herzog, Sprague and Irish present at the roll call, Pierce and Adrian arriving later, one member absent whose name is garbled on the recording. City council: nine seats under the charter; the roll as captured names four councilors and the mayor, and four more councilors (Damren, Raymond, Pope and the councilor heard as toll) speak later, so attendance is reconstructed rather than read.

Participants

Everyone heard or addressed on the recording. There are no minutes to check spellings against; surnames that rest on the project roster rather than this recording are marked in the participation cell.
NameRoleParticipation
Brian RappSchool Board ChairPresides for the school board, hands the floor to the mayor ("Mayor, I'll give it to you.", 0:01:45), recognizes members, asks whether the governor's support for state-funded full-day kindergarten could be sounded out, proposes that lead screening be required to register, moves adjournment. Not named in the board roll call as heard; his presence is plain from the record.
Chris IrishSchool Board Vice ChairNamed present in the board roll call (0:01:01). Asks for earlier notice of hearings, urges pressing the incoming commissioner of education, proposes mandatory reporting of lead found by contractors, suggests tech-center students be certified for lead-safe work, and proposes moving the field-lighting electric bill into the school's name for E-Rate. Recalls serving on the council and as a state representative.
Dr. Alex HerzogSchool Board memberNamed present in the board roll call (0:01:01). No speaking rows are attributed to him.
Frank SpragueSchool Board memberNamed present in the board roll call (0:01:01). Asks whether a positive lead test could lead to pushback from local industry, for example lead "coming home on workers clothing" (0:52:59).
Patrick AdrianSchool Board memberMarked "not here" in the board roll call (0:01:18); arrives later and first speaks at 0:24:50. Asks where Governor Sununu stands on the stabilization bill, speaks on the lead-poisoning video and do-it-yourself renovation, and describes new district policies for school groups to partner with outside organizations.
Michelle PierceSchool Board memberRead as not here in the board roll call (0:01:01); arrives later and first speaks at 1:02:21. Suggests bringing landlords into the lead effort, asks what follows a positive screening, and proposes a personal-care-attendant program at the tech center.
Seventh school board seat (name not established)School Board memberThe roll caller reads a second Frank as not here (0:01:18); Frank Sprague had already answered, so the name is garbled. The project roster places Brent Ferland on the board until March 2017; that identification is not confirmed by this recording.
Charlene LovettMayor, City of Claremont; presides for the councilRuns the joint agenda: reports her and the superintendent's testimony for HB 525 that morning, reads the joint letter to the House Education Committee, reports the hospital's lead-screening gains and proposes a joint lead-education committee, and gives the city budget outlook. The dialogue file assigns the opening call to order (rows 0 and 1) to her with an "uncertain" note. The surname rests on the project roster; the transcript renders it Levitt and Leavitt.
Allen DamrenCity CouncilorRecognized as "Councilor D'Amour" (0:23:16) and "Councilor Damron" (1:31:12); spelling per the project roster. Asks whether the stabilization loss is "our new normal" and recalls an EMT course once run at the tech center.
Bruce TempleCity CouncilorRead in the council roll (0:00:47). Asks how the governor feels about the bill and reports that the Vermont governor had asked Vermont school boards to freeze their budgets.
Keith RaymondCity CouncilorRecognized as "Councilor Raymond" (0:59:33); describes testing for lead on window estimates, the EPA rules, and cleanup cost.
Councilor Pope (first name not stated)City CouncilorRecognized as "Councilor Pope" (0:32:05); asks for a town-by-town spreadsheet of stabilization gains and losses.
Nicholas (surname not stated)City CouncilorAnswers the council roll as Nicholas (0:00:49); asks about cooperative vehicle leasing and adult tuition programs at the tech center. The superintendent addresses him as Nick (1:29:51).
Councilor heard as "Councilor toll"City CouncilorSpeaks on expanding adult education (1:32:14). The dialogue file labels these rows Carolyn Towle; the project roster records her council service in 2016 and 2017 only as a hypothesis, so the label is not confirmed here.
Unidentified councilorCity CouncilorRecognized by the mayor (1:34:25); names Amy Hood as the director of the evening adult-education programs and suggests inviting her.
Victor Bergeron and John Simon (as read)City Councilors (roll call)Names read in the council roll (0:00:43, 0:00:50); spellings as transcribed, not verified. Neither is identified as a speaker.
Representative Gauthier (first name not stated)State RepresentativeSays he regards HB 525 as "life support for now", offers to show members how to follow the House calendar, says he has the legislative budget office's spreadsheet, and proposes a natural-gas manifold for the industrial area.
Representative O'Connor (first name not stated)State RepresentativeSays the issue "crosses party lines" and supports both bills; the mayor reports he signed in support of HB 525 at the hearing (0:07:15).
Unidentified state representativeState Representative, Sullivan County delegationForwarded the mayor's letter to the delegation, names two Sullivan County members of House Education, describes himself as a Democrat, co-sponsors HB 597, and suggests the next joint meeting precede the House budget vote in early April. The attribution report suggests John Cloutier or Ray Gagnon; neither is confirmed.
Dr. Middleton McGoodwinSuperintendent, SAU 6Describes testifying for HB 525 and the district's stabilization losses, offers to forward the superintendents' association's legislative bulletins to both bodies, commits to the lead-screening policy as "a top priority", and describes a planned 2018 high school schedule to improve tech-center access. The transcript renders his name Goodwin, McGovern and McGowan.
Cory LeClairAssistant Superintendent, SAU 6Explains that Valley Regional Hospital nurses already support kindergarten registration and that kindergarten screening now happens in the fall.
Fulton (first name not stated)ResidentRecognized by the chair as "Mr. Fulton" (0:35:07); proposes a half-time communications person shared by the city and the school district, with legislative tracking among its duties.
Unidentified roll callersCouncil and school board roll callsThe council roll (0:00:43) and the school board roll (0:01:01) are read by voices the recording does not name.
Unidentified speakerParticipant, side not establishedProposes inspections of rental properties, as done "in Minnesota" (1:03:03).

Order of business (reconstructed)

The mayor refers to a printed agenda, but none survives in the district's shares. The list below is reconstructed from her transitions ("the first item on our agenda", "Now we'll move on to lead poisoning", "the final item on our agenda").
Taken upItemWhat was said and done
0:00:00Call to order of the city council; Pledge of AllegianceThe speaker says "I called a meeting of the city council to order." No call to order of the school board is heard.
0:00:41Roll callsCouncil roll as read: Victor Bergeron, Bruce Temple, Nicholas, John Simon, and an answer heard as "Love it here" that the roster reads as the mayor. School board roll: Herzog, Sprague and Irish present; Pierce, Adrian and a seventh name not present (0:01:01, 0:01:18). With the chair presiding, four of seven school board members are present at the start. The council roll as captured is incomplete, so the council's quorum cannot be confirmed from the recording.
0:02:01Education stabilization grants (HB 525)Mayor's report on the morning hearing; joint letter read aloud (0:08:20); delegation comments; next steps restated (0:38:26): NHMA bulletin to the board, superintendents' association bulletins to both bodies, the delegation's spreadsheet, an invitation to the senator and the governor. No vote.
0:40:49Lead poisoningHospital screening figures, the donated portable tester, a proposed school policy requiring screening by the next school year, and a joint lead-education committee. Action items restated (1:11:09); consensus to form the committee. No vote.
1:12:31City and school budget updatesSchool board chair's summary (1:13:44); city budget outlook, tax-bill examples, capital-plan coordination, adult education and shared revenue ideas. No vote.
1:44:08AdjournmentThe school board chair calls "Motion to adjourn." (1:44:08); a second is heard; Aye. (1:44:21). No separate council adjournment vote is heard. The school board then held its own budget meeting (see the January 24, 2017 school board page).

Discussion timeline

Times are taken from the dialogue transcript (Dialogue/8884 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint012417.mp4.CSV) and link into the recording. Quotations are as transcribed; bracketed words are corrections, with the transcript's wording kept where the correction changes sense.

Chronological topics with the most concrete material first.
TimeTopicWhat was saidFlags
0:01:45OpeningRapp: "It's been a month and a half. Yeah. About a month and a half since we last met." The mayor notes the weather "is not the best".
0:02:01Stabilization grants: the 4% cutMayor: under existing law "the stabilization grants were going to be reduced by 4% on an annual basis", creating "an impossible burden for the tax base that we have here". At the last joint meeting both bodies agreed she would draft a letter supporting legislation to stop the reduction; it is printed "on the back of your agenda".OBS
0:03:35HB 525 hearing that morningMayor: "HB 525, which addresses this decrease in education stabilization grants, was going to be heard by the House Education Committee today"; she and the superintendent testified. The superintendent: "Claremont has had a loss of almost $400,000 for this fiscal year." By 2020 "The reduction will be over $1 million" and over 18 years "a reduction totaling 5.8 million. That's a sixth of the school budget". Without the bill "there will be horrific consequences".OBS
0:07:15Delegation supportMayor: "Representative O'Connor came in and indicated his support of the bill. He didn't speak on the bill." The letter was finished "at about 430 this morning".
0:08:20Joint letter readThe mayor reads the letter "on behalf of the Claremont City Council and the Claremont School Board": "Though we are independent governing bodies, we are dependent upon the same tax base"; "Claremont lost approximately $110 million in valuation, increasing our tax rate over $5"; "These factors have contributed to Claremont holding the highest tax rate in New Hampshire"; the city is "considering a 5% budget decrease for the upcoming year" and "Currently, the Claremont School Board is making cuts to its budget so that there will be no impact to the tax rate in FY 18."
0:10:42Other communities; the lotteryMayor: other communities report insurance increases of 21%; "We had on the city side, we had 23.1%, I believe." House Education chair Rick Ladd said "This is just the beginning"; the bill goes next to House Finance. A Department of Education staffer said "the lottery brings in about $75 million in revenue" against a "price tag is about 1 billion".
0:14:10Representatives respondGauthier: "I'm looking at this bill as a as a life support for now". An unidentified representative: "I'm a Democrat" and once "I defied my own party to support the bill" on special education funding; he co-sponsors "House Bill 597" on adequacy aid. O'Connor: "we're either going to all survive together or we're going to perish together."
0:18:25Notice of hearingsMayor: "Usually we have a day or two notice." The representative: the House calendar comes out Thursdays and hearings are jammed together. The superintendent offers to forward New Hampshire School Administrators Association bulletins: "I could send it to the school board as well as to the members of the city council".
0:23:23Councilors' questionsDamren: the lost stabilization money "becomes our new normal". Temple asks whether the governor would veto. Gauthier: "it's a Republican effort" and "the odds are it'll pass". Adrian asks whether "we would have his support".
0:26:27Governor and commissionerRapp notes the governor has "vocalized support for, the state paying for full day kindergarten" and asks Gauthier to sound him out. Irish asks that someone press the governor's nominee for commissioner of education: "you got to find a way to cross the line and shake hands and come out with the middle." A representative calls school-funding fights "a battle of the spreadsheets" and urges contact with "our Senator Martha Hennessy".
0:32:10Spreadsheet of gains and lossesCouncilor Pope: "is there a town by town spreadsheet of gains and losses out there". Gauthier says he has the legislative budget office's spreadsheet; Irish asks him to send it through the superintendent.
0:33:45Vermont comparisonTemple: the Vermont governor that day asked Vermont school boards "to freeze their budgets".
0:35:22Resident commentFulton proposes that "if the city of Claremont and the Claremont School District shared a communications person, say, half time", one duty could be legislative tracking for both bodies.POS
0:38:26Stabilization action stepsMayor restates the steps: she will share the NHMA bulletin with the board, the superintendent his association's, Gauthier will forward the spreadsheet, and the senator and governor will be invited. She, the chair, the superintendent and the new city manager will work with the delegation on a meeting with the commissioner (0:40:18).POS
0:40:49Lead screening figuresMayor: screening rates had been "in the 57% tile for one year olds and 29%, I believe, something like that in the two year olds." After a hospital lunch-and-learn, "in the last 12 months, the hospital pediatricians screened 137", of which "46 was a part of the 137" in December and January. The hospital is receiving "a lead testing machine that's valued at $2,500" with "about 144 free tests".
0:44:56Proposed school policyMayor: the board could "set a school board policy in place, so that you're ready to get 100% screening of children entering kindergarten". Rapp: "just like we have." "People have to be vaccinated." and "it should be a policy that we have that all kids that come in had to have been screened to be able to register." LeClair: "the Valley Regional Hospital nursing staff supports the school district with the kindergarten registration process". The mayor asks for the policy "by the beginning of the next school year"; the superintendent: "This is a top priority."OBS
0:50:40Lead-safe training for tech studentsMayor: the state program would train tech students in "perhaps eight hours over two school days training" and "there would be no cost to the school district". Sprague asks about industry pushback if lead were found "coming home on workers clothing".
0:53:40State response thresholdsMayor: a state protocol starts "if the blood level is 1010 ML" [as transcribed] or above; later, "the CDC is recommending five ML or higher" (1:09:51).
0:59:39Landlords, contractors, reportingRaymond: "it's a very expensive to do the cleanup", so owners hire uncertified workers. An unidentified speaker: "Shouldn't we have some sort of inspections on rental properties?" Irish asks whether a contractor must report lead found; Raymond: No. Irish: "If you make a mandatory reporting, they can't get the pass anymore. It's a simple fix." Rapp: "Could that be a city ordinance?" Raymond: "That's what we're working on now".
1:11:09Lead action itemsMayor: "the school board will be working on a policy to be in place by the beginning of the next school year", an education campaign, and the delegation to track the bill once numbered. The superintendent: "The school district is definitely on board." Members willing to serve on the joint committee are to contact him or the mayor.POS
1:12:31Budget calendarsMayor: "the school board, in order to be compliant with state law, had to have one of their budget hearings on the same night as the city council". Rapp: the board has "worked very hard to to find the money without affecting children's education"; the administration's latest reductions follow in the board's own meeting.
1:14:48City budget outlookDepartments are preparing "a level funded budget as well as a budget that had a 5% decrease in it". The council will take up "elderly tax exemptions, which haven't changed, 1999". One retired owner's taxes rose "in 14 years, her taxes increased by 61%"; two others rose 63% and 57%. "We can't cut our way out of this".
1:20:04Capital plansMayor proposes sharing capital improvement plans and to "stagger the capital improvement projects". The superintendent: deferred maintenance once meant "we'd have over 20 buckets in that public school"; FY18 maintenance money is being cut.
1:22:08Contracts on the ballotIrish: "all of our agreements are done"; "those will be a separate Warren [warrant] articles" in March, and "it's crucial that we approve those".
1:23:47Grand listGauthier puts the grand list near "$790 million?"; the mayor: "I think it's 690." Gauthier: "what we need is 1.5 billion in assessments". The mayor: "North Country Smokehouse will come online around August", a "67,000 square foot facility". Gauthier proposes a natural-gas manifold for the industrial area; the mayor refers him to planning and development.
1:28:02Leasing and adult educationNicholas asks about joint vehicle leases and adult tuition programs at the tech center, which "would seem to me that would solve our workforce issue in the city". The superintendent describes "creating another high school schedule for the fall of 2018" to improve student access. Damren recalls the center "ran a very successful EMT training course here". A councilor: "The person who runs the adult ed programs in the evenings is Amy Hood." Pierce proposes a personal-care-attendant program.
1:37:11Shared revenue ideasAdrian: new district policies let school groups partner with outside organizations "in order to generate some of their own revenue", such as field signage. Irish: field lighting costs "roughly $125 an hour", and in the school's name "E-Rate would then rebate roughly 75% of that cost". The mayor refers both to the superintendent and the city manager, who "will start on February 1st".
1:41:16Next joint meetingThe representative: the House will vote on the state budget "either April 5th or April 6th"; meet before then. The mayor: "I would probably say end of March."
1:44:08AdjournmentRapp: "Motion to adjourn." A second; Aye. The school board's own meeting followed.

Items flagged for review

These flags are a reviewer's aid, not findings of violation and not legal advice. Each one names the rule it rests on, as that rule read on January 24, 2017, or is labeled an observation where no verified rule applies.

MEDIUM No agenda or minutes for this joint meeting in the district's shares; the city's records were not inspected

MAP.md records no Drive material for this meeting: neither district share holds a year folder older than 2022, and the Meeting Minutes share starts at 2023. This was a joint meeting of two public bodies, and the city's notice, agenda and minutes would sit in the city clerk's system, which this page did not inspect; no city-side negative is stated. RSA 91-A:2, II, in the text in force for 2017, required minutes including "names of members, persons appearing before the public bodies, and a brief description of the subject matter discussed and final decisions", open to inspection "not more than 5 business days after the meeting". The page applies the MEDIUM limb of the project's severity rule because the record mitigates the gap: a written agenda existed (the mayor's letter was "on the back of your agenda", 0:02:42), both bodies called the roll, and a second public body's records may hold the minutes. The recording itself leaves gaps that minutes would close: the council roll as captured names only four councilors and the mayor, so the council's quorum cannot be confirmed, and a seventh school board name is garbled (0:01:18).

Sources: RSA 91-A:2, II (2016 codification; source note ends 2016, 29:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2017, so the text in force for 2017); Claremont City Charter secs. 16 and 21 (nine-member council; majority quorum), copy of undetermined date

OBSERVATION The 4% annual stabilization cut described at the meeting was the law in force; the dollar projections are the speakers' own

The mayor said the stabilization grants "were going to be reduced by 4% on an annual basis" under law already passed (0:02:01). RSA 198:41, IV(d), as amended through 2016, paid each municipality its education grant plus a percentage of its fiscal 2012 stabilization grant: "96 percent for fiscal year 2017", reduced by 4 percent of the 2012 amount for each fiscal year after that. The description at the meeting matches the statute. The superintendent's figures (almost $400,000 lost this fiscal year, over $1 million by 2020, $5.8 million over 18 years, 0:05:40, 0:06:10) were not checked against a state aid schedule and are reported as his statements. HB 525 was pending in the House Education Committee on the meeting date; this page does not report its outcome.

Sources: RSA 198:41, IV(d) (2016 codification; source note ends 2015, 276:139; 2016, 8:4, 5; 85:9, eff. July 18, 2016)

OBSERVATION Lead screening proposed as a condition of registration, by analogy to vaccination, without a stated legal basis

The chair proposed that "all kids that come in had to have been screened to be able to register", comparing it to vaccination (0:45:32, 0:45:35). The vaccination rule he cited rests on statute: RSA 141-C:20-a bars admission to school unless a child shows immunization, partial immunization or an exemption. No statute in force in January 2017 that makes lead screening a condition of school admission was found for this page, and RSA 193:1, I places a duty on parents to "cause such child to attend the public school", which a registration bar would have to sit alongside. The mayor's own framing was a screening goal, and the record shows no legal advice on whether screening could be required rather than offered. The policy came back for a first reading on March 15, 2017 (see the March 15, 2017 page); whether it made screening a condition of enrollment should be read in the adopted text.

Sources: RSA 141-C:20-a (2016 codification; source 1987, 193:7; 1995, 310:183): immunization required before school admission; RSA 193:1, I (2016 codification; source note ends 2013, 215:1): parent's duty to cause attendance

POSITIVE Two governing bodies and the local delegation coordinated in an open, recorded session, with action items restated aloud

The council and the school board met jointly with state representatives present, took a resident's suggestion from the floor (0:35:22), and at the end of each agenda item the mayor restated who would do what: bulletins shared between the bodies, the delegation's spreadsheet forwarded, invitations to the senator and the governor (0:38:26), a school screening policy by the next school year, an education campaign and a joint committee (1:11:09). No statute requires a city council and a school board to meet jointly or to restate their commitments in public; doing so gives residents a checkable list for the next joint meeting, which the March 30, 2017 recording can be read against.

Sources: Cablecast: CITY COUNCIL / SCHOOL BOARD MEETING 1-24-17

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