Claremont School Board & City Council, Joint Meeting, March 30, 2017

Joint meeting of the school board and the city council: the new city manager introduced himself, the two bodies and outside partners reviewed lead-poisoning screening and abatement, and attorney Tom Connair led a long discussion of the state's duty to fund education, the stabilization-grant phase-out and the 2017 voucher bill. No votes were taken. The page is built from the CCTV recording's dialogue transcript; no agenda, packet or minutes survive in the district's online shares. Timestamps link to the same moment in the Cablecast recording.

Bodies
Claremont School Board (Claremont School District, SAU 6) and Claremont City Council, meeting jointly
Date
Thursday, March 30, 2017
Start time
Not stated in available records. The chair calls the joint meeting to order at the start of the recording (0:00:11). No adjournment motion is heard; the mayor closes with thanks at 2:23:05 and the dialogue transcript runs 2:24:03.
Location
Not stated in available records.
Recording
Cablecast: JOINT MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL AND SCHOOL BOARD 3-30-17 (transcript length 2:24:03; appears complete from call to order to closing)
Minutes
None located. MAP.md records no Drive material for this meeting: neither district share holds a year folder older than 2022, and the Meeting Minutes share starts at 2023 (checked 9/26/26). The city's own records, which would sit with the city clerk, were not inspected for this page.
Board composition
Five school board members answer the roll as transcribed: Irish, Michelle Pierce, Frank Sprague, Rebecca Zullo (transcribed "Rebecca. Zula") and the chair, Brian Rapp (transcribed "Brian right") (0:01:06, 0:01:12). Patrick Adrian takes part from 0:44:00; his roll-call answer is not distinguishable. Michael Petrin, sworn in on March 15, 2017 according to the project roster, is not heard. On the council side only the mayor and a councilor transcribed "John Simon" are audible in the roll (0:00:57, 0:01:00); Councilors Pope and Damren speak later. The council's quorum is not established on the recording (flag 3).

Participants

Everyone heard or addressed on the recording. There are no minutes to check spellings against; names follow the speakers' own introductions, how they are addressed on tape, and the project roster, and the participation cell says which.
NameRoleParticipation
Brian RappChair, Claremont School BoardCalls the joint meeting to order (0:00:11) and shares the chair with the mayor. Reports the lead-screening policy's first read and scheduled second read, suggests lead testing during city inspections of multifamily housing, possibly by ordinance (0:52:54), and says of special education, "I think we're getting 60% of what we're supposed to from the state" (1:26:14).
Chris IrishMember (vice chair per the project roster)Answers the roll ("Irish. Here.", 0:01:06). The voice the dialogue file labels Irish is identified with low to medium confidence in the project's attribution report. That voice asks whether homeowners as well as landlords can get abatement grants (0:20:35), presses on contractor certification, says "I was on the council back then" (0:58:11) and "I've been on the city council, I've been on the school board, I've been a state rep" (1:41:59), and argues against vouchers. At the board meeting of May 3, 2017 the mayor says the vice chair has served in the State House, which fits this voice's own account (May 3, 2017 page).
Patrick AdrianMemberRecognized by the chair as Patrick (0:43:56); surname from the project roster. Asks about communication with property owners and canvassing (0:44:13), answers a councilor's question on home-school standards (1:47:30), questions the stabilization-grant phase-out (1:51:10) and asks about SB 193 eligibility (2:16:56).
Michelle PierceMemberNamed in the roll call (0:01:12). No other speech is attributed to her.
Frank SpragueMemberNamed in the roll call (0:01:12). No other speech is attributed to him.
Rebecca ZulloMemberRoll call, transcribed "Rebecca. Zula here." (0:01:12); spelling from the project roster. No other speech is attributed to her.
Michael PetrinMember (per the project roster, sworn in March 15, 2017)Not heard in the roll call or elsewhere on the recording; attendance not established.
Middleton McGoodwinSuperintendent, SAU 6Addressed as Middleton (0:05:58). Describes changes to the lead-screening policy, presents adequacy, fixed-cost and SB 193 figures from his March district report, and says he will testify in Concord on Tuesday, April 4.
Charlene LovettMayor, City of ClaremontAnswers the roll (transcribed "Love it. Here.", 0:01:00); addressed as "Madam Mayor" (0:02:03). Introduces the city manager and runs most of the agenda, reports SB 247's progress in the Senate, and sets the next joint meeting for June 22.
Ryan McNuttCity ManagerIntroduced by the mayor (0:01:44); started February 1. Describes federal lead-abatement grants through New Hampshire Housing Finance, code enforcement and a proposed receivership statute.
PopeCity CouncilorRecognized as "Councilor Pope" (1:44:28, 2:12:46); first name not recorded. Asks about home-school certification and funding, a coalition letter from Northfield and Franklin, and the distinction between public and private charter schools.
Allen DamrenCity CouncilorRecognized as "Councilor Damron" (1:47:57); spelling from the project roster. Says home-school standards have been lowered over about five years.
John (surname transcribed Simon)City CouncilorAnswers the roll as transcribed "John Simon here." (0:00:57). The project roster carries this councilor as John Simonds, a spelling it marks unverified, so this page does not adopt it. No other speech is attributed.
Tom ConnairAttorney; counsel in the Claremont school-funding litigationIntroduced by the mayor as transcribed "Tom cannon" (1:03:29) and later "Mr. Conor"; gives his first name as Tom (2:08:48). Spelling per the project's attribution report. Presents the history of the Claremont lawsuit and the state's duty to fund education.
John CloutierState Representative, ClaremontIntroduces himself, as transcribed, "State Representative John Claudia" (0:14:27); spelling per the project's attribution report. Reports on SB 247, HB 597 and his opposition to SB 193.
GauthierState RepresentativeThanked by the city manager for work on receivership legislation (0:11:50) and recognized by the mayor (0:36:59); first name not recorded on this recording. At the board meeting of May 3, 2017 the superintendent names Claremont's two Republican representatives as Francis Gauthier and John O'Connor (May 3, 2017 page). Argues the legislature is "in contempt of court" and for a different school-tax structure.
Peter WrightValley Regional Hospital; chairman, Public Health Commission for Sullivan County (self-described)Invited to the table as "Mr. Wright" (0:33:13). Reports the hospital's point-of-care lead screening device and screening data, and says "I'm the chairman of the Public Health Commission for Sullivan County" (0:47:03).
Keith ThibeaultSouthwestern Community Services"Again, my name is Keith. I represent Southwestern Community Services." (0:15:42). The surname is the dialogue file's rendering of the mayor's introduction and is unverified. Describes Head Start testing and the agency's lead-abatement work.
Unidentified participantSeated at the table (role not established)Asks who reduced the stabilization grant and why (2:06:34), tells Connair "I don't remember your name" (2:08:45), and asks whom residents should contact. The attribution report notes this voice may be Rebecca Zullo; that is not established.
UnidentifiedVarious47 of 583 dialogue rows (8.1%) are unidentified: roll-call answers, short interjections and crosstalk.

Order of business (reconstructed)

No agenda survives. The chair says "We have our agenda" (0:01:35) and the mayor says "We've scheduled on the agenda a few minutes for him to speak" (0:01:44); the items below are reconstructed from their transitions.
Taken upItemWhat was said and done
0:00:11Call to order; Pledge of Allegiance"Call the joint meeting of the Claremont School Board and City Council."
0:00:39Roll callPartly audible; see Board composition above.
0:01:21Citizens' forum"Open it up for citizens Forum." No speaker comes forward.
0:01:44New business: introduction of City Manager Ryan McNuttRemarks by the city manager. No action.
0:04:20Lead poisoning screening and prevention updateSchool policy, hospital screening, Southwestern Community Services, city grant plans and next steps. No action.
1:03:29New Hampshire's responsibility to fund public educationPresentation by Tom Connair, then the superintendent, legislators and members. No action.
2:20:21Closing items and next meetingThe mayor reports SB 247's Senate vote; the bodies settle on June 22 for the next joint meeting, on childhood poverty. One planned topic was not reached: "we didn't even get to one other point".

Discussion timeline

Times are taken from the dialogue transcript (Dialogue/9010 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint033017.mp4.CSV) and link into the recording. Quotations are as transcribed; bracketed words are corrections, with the transcript's wording kept where the correction changes sense.

Chronological topics with the most concrete material first.
TimeTopicWhat was saidFlags
0:02:03New city managerMcNutt toured Stevens High School with "Assistant Superintendent Corey LeClair" and praises its condition after the renovation: "you got a lot for your money". "I started here in February 1st. I live up here in Claremont now." (0:03:38)
0:04:20Hospital screening ratesThe mayor reports that the hospital's pediatric office has been trained on screening one- and two-year-olds: "They've, I think, doubled their screening rates at this point."
0:05:18School lead-screening policyRapp: the board held the first read of its new screening policy, "the green sheet", and is "scheduled for our second read" (0:05:58). The superintendent: school nurses and Valley Regional's medical staff reviewed it, and the requirement now covers children "entering pre-kindergarten" as well as kindergarten (0:06:39). "According to the state, we are the first district in New Hampshire that is has a school district policy." (0:07:37)POS
0:08:54Paying for testsThe mayor: the Claremont Newport Healthy Homes Committee has funding that might cover the cost of tests at kindergarten or pre-K registration.
0:09:36Abatement grants and receivershipMcNutt: HUD is releasing lead-abatement grants to states, and the city intends to partner with New Hampshire Housing Finance. On blighted property, he describes court-appointed receivers, a provision "we have not been able to identify in the RSA, this receivership provision that basically 49 other states have" (0:11:50), and thanks Representative Gauthier for working on legislation.
0:14:27SB 247 in the SenateCloutier: "the state Senate has passed a bill, Senate Bill 247, sponsored by Senator Fells [Feltes] of Concord". The mayor understands the Senate is hearing it that day; Cloutier: "I may be wrong."
0:15:42Southwestern Community ServicesThibeault: all Head Start children are tested, and the agency has run home rehabilitation, including lead abatement, for 20 years. "You know, less than 20% of children get tested." (0:17:28) He estimates "over 1000 children to get poisoned annually" statewide (0:17:51) and refers to the bill as "House Bill 247" [SB 247].
0:20:35Who can get the moneyTo the question whether homeowners qualify, McNutt: "both residential homeowners are eligible as well as investor landlord owners"; an investor owner has "a 10% match, but it's still the chance to have 90% of the cost covered" (0:20:50). Applications can go to him or to Southwestern Community Services.
0:27:39Landlords' fear of liabilityIrish asks what protects an owner who comes forward. Thibeault: there is generally no enforcement unless a poisoned child lives in the unit, and "It's probably less than $15,000 a unit to abate an apartment." (0:29:20)
0:30:24Certified contractorsIrish: of about 50 contractor friends he knows one who is certified (0:31:58). McNutt: his previous department in Massachusetts got "$3.2 million" and trained a pool of contractors; he plans a Claremont application in a later round (0:32:08).
0:33:34Valley Regional Hospital screeningWright: a grant-funded point-of-care finger-stick device is in the pediatrics practice, with a second pending. "And 50% of the screenings in the trailing 12 months had been done in December and January" (0:36:27) after providers were retrained. He cannot release positive rates, which go to the state (0:37:06).
0:38:31SB 247 fiscal noteThe mayor: "the Senate did pass the bill, SB 247 17 to 6", then referred it to Finance over a fiscal note of "$3 million in each year" (0:38:58). She urged the senator to keep at least universal testing: "less than 60% of one year olds are being tested, and less than 30% of two year olds are being tested." (0:39:32)
0:43:04Child care provider trainingThe mayor is planning a training day for child care providers on April 11 or 13 and will ask whether the Buckley Room is available.
0:44:13Reaching property ownersAdrian recalls city findings three years earlier about owners' misinformation. Wright and McNutt describe public-education campaigns and door-to-door canvassing of pre-1978 housing (0:48:25).
0:52:54Testing during city inspectionsRapp suggests testing older multifamily properties during city inspections, "If it could be done by ordinance, require that." (0:55:01). The mayor: unless state law changes, "the most you could do is it's for information purposes" (0:53:59), and the city could send letters with quarterly tax bills. McNutt: any language "should be more of the May instead of the shell" [may / shall] (0:57:03).
0:58:42Lead next stepsSchool board: second read of the policy. Council: possible ordinance language later, the child care training, and a June presentation on lead in garden soil by the county's natural resources director (1:02:23). The superintendent expects the pre-K program "fully operational within the next month" (1:00:54).
1:03:29The Claremont lawsuitConnair: "And March 1989, 28 years ago this month, the Claremont School Board voted to begin the process" (1:06:24). For every dollar Claremont raises, Lebanon would raise four and Waterville Valley "22 times that" (1:08:27). "So we spend $16,000 per roughly 16, 17 per student." (1:09:09) The 1993 decision held the state must "guarantee adequate funding" (1:11:11).
1:14:09State share of school costsConnair: New Hampshire is "close to 50th in the nation in terms of state monies given to education". The state's adequacy amount: "we'll give you $3,600 and then maybe some extra" (1:23:15). A coalition of the four lawyers and the original districts is to meet again soon (1:23:49).
1:24:13Why a joint discussionThe mayor: school funding affects growth and the city's image. Rapp: city and school are "fighting over the same funding", and the state funds special education poorly: "I think we're getting 60% of what we're supposed to from the state." (1:26:14)OBS
1:27:57Superintendent: pay gaps and fixed costsA smaller nearby district: "Their budget is $10 million more." (1:28:33) Starting pay in bordering communities is "6 to $10,000" higher (1:28:38). The district "receives $5.8 million in a grant from the state" that "is going to be reduced to $0" (1:30:03). Fixed-cost increases since 2012 of "approximately $590,000" against combined budgets that "have increased $64,000" from 2015-16 to 2016-17 (1:31:20).OBS
1:34:57HB 525The mayor: the bill "has been retained in committee and they're going to be studying it. Meanwhile, we're still losing 4%." (1:35:06) Gauthier: "I think that the legislature is in contempt of court." (1:35:22)OBS
1:36:43SB 193 voucher billThe superintendent reads from his document: the "adequacy aid reduction to 4%, if left unchecked over the next 18 or so years, will take over $5 million". "Senate Bill 193 is a voucher bill" (1:37:14). He will testify "next Tuesday, April 4th" (1:37:47) and estimates 25,000 eligible students at "$3,000 each. That's $75 million." (1:38:17)
1:40:00Vouchers and the funding formulaIrish: "We are in serious trouble"; if the state had "fully funded the formula. We would have never had a Claremont lawsuit" (1:40:16); "It's not about education, it's about money" (1:42:26).
1:47:06Home-school oversightPope asks who certifies home schools. Damren: standards were lowered over the last five years (1:48:00). The superintendent: once the district is notified, "accountability is not there" (1:49:02). Pope asks whether a family that returns to public school keeps the money; the superintendent: "I can't answer." (1:49:49)
1:51:10Stabilization-grant phase-outAdrian: when the state phased out the stabilization grants, "there wasn't any any legislative decision or any change in the law to my understanding" (1:52:05); "how is this not grounds for a lawsuit?" (1:52:50). Connair: "I have to spend more time looking" (1:53:03).OBS
1:54:27Connair on vouchers, taxes and court"the voucher program initiative in itself isn't dangerous" but it would take "what little money we have here" (1:54:53). He argues an income tax "properly crafted and passed" could lower most residents' overall burden (1:56:12), calls the case "the Brown versus Board of Education on a state level" (1:59:05), and says the coalition will consider whether "to go back yet one more time" (2:01:11).
2:02:19Cloutier on aid billsHB 597, to restore adequacy aid cut in 2011, "only failed by 21 votes a few weeks ago" (2:02:32); he also supports the retained bill. Jaffrey's rate against Claremont's: "We have $42 per thousand" (2:04:42). "I am absolutely opposed to Senate Bill 193." (2:04:59)
2:06:34Who cut the stabilization grantThe superintendent ties the change to a cap struck down in what "I believe it was called the Dover case" (2:07:06), "in September 2016" (2:07:37). Asked whom residents should write to, Connair lists board members, legislators, the council and the governor and agrees to draft language the bodies can reuse (2:11:28).OBS
2:12:46Coalitions and charter schoolsPope asks for an update on a letter from a Northfield and Franklin coalition sent in January, and distinguishes public from private charter schools (2:13:42). The mayor: the city will send Connair its HB 525 work.
2:15:00Testimony in ConcordThe mayor and the superintendent testified on HB 525; he will testify on SB 193 on Tuesday, and residents may send him letters to submit (2:15:51).
2:20:21SB 247 passesThe mayor reads a note from Gail, the state lead program trainer: "SB 247 passed the Senate 15 to 7." The earlier report at 0:38:31 gave 17 to 6; the two tallies are not reconciled on the record.
2:21:28Next joint meetingAfter weighing the last week of June, the bodies settle on Thursday, June 22 (2:22:22). The mayor: the June presentation "will be coming from judge" and "the topic will be childhood poverty and how it's affecting Claremont" (2:23:05).

Items flagged for review

These flags are a reviewer's aid, not findings of violation and not legal advice. Each one names the rule it rests on, as that rule read on March 30, 2017, or is labeled an observation where no verified rule applies.

MEDIUM No agenda, packet or minutes for this joint meeting survive in any district share

MAP.md records no Drive material: the district's shares hold no year folder older than 2022, and the Meeting Minutes share starts at 2023. The recording is the only public account of a two-hour discussion in which the superintendent read figures from a district document that is not available either: the $5.8 million adequacy grant, the $590,000 fixed-cost increase and the $64,000 budget increase (1:30:03 to 1:31:20). RSA 91-A:2, II, in the text in force for 2017, required minutes that "shall include the names of members, persons appearing before the public bodies, and a brief description" of the subject matter, "open to public inspection not more than 5 business days after the meeting". This page applies the MEDIUM limb of the project's severity rule because the record mitigates the gap: both presiding officers refer to an agenda on tape (0:01:35, 0:01:44), so the meeting was organized and noticed in some form, and the city side of a joint meeting keeps its records with the city clerk, which this page did not inspect. The 2017 statute required minutes to be open to inspection, not posted online. What is missing is any public copy now.

Sources: RSA 91-A:2, II (2016 codification, in force for 2017; source note ends 2016, 29:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2017)

OBSERVATION The stabilization-grant phase-out the members discussed was written into the statute

A member asked how the state could phase out Claremont's stabilization grant when "there wasn't any any legislative decision or any change in the law to my understanding" (1:52:05), and asked whether that was grounds for a lawsuit; counsel said he would need to look (1:53:03). The superintendent connected the change to a Supreme Court ruling of September 2016 (2:07:37). The statute itself sets the phase-out: RSA 198:41, IV(d), as codified in 2016, provides that for fiscal year 2017 "the percentage shall be 96 percent", and that it "shall be reduced by 4 percent of the amount of the 2012 education grant for each" fiscal year after. That matches the mayor's "we're still losing 4%" (1:35:06). Whether the phase-out is constitutional is a separate question this page does not reach, and the court decision the superintendent described was not verified for this page. The point is that viewers heard the reduction described as having no legislative basis, and it had one.

Sources: RSA 198:41, IV(d) (2016 codification; source note ends 2016, 8:4, 5 and 85:9, eff. July 18, 2016)

OBSERVATION Two bodies met, and only the school board's quorum can be counted from the recording

A joint meeting is a meeting of each body, and each needs its own quorum. Five school board members answer the roll and a sixth takes part, so the seven-member board had a quorum. The city council is a nine-member body whose quorum is a majority, five. On the recording only the mayor and one councilor are distinguishable in the roll call (0:00:57, 0:01:00), and two more councilors, Pope and Damren, speak later; the rest of the council roll is inaudible. No votes were taken by either body, so nothing turns on the count, but a reader cannot tell from the public record which councilors attended. The city's minutes, if they survive, would settle it.

Sources: RSA 91-A:2, I and II (2016 codification: a meeting is the convening of a quorum; minutes list the names of members); Claremont City Charter, secs. 16 and 21 (nine councilors; a majority is a quorum; copy of undetermined date)

OBSERVATION The chair's 60 percent special-education figure is unexplained

The chair said the state "doesn't want to fund a, special education the way that they should. I think we're getting 60% of what we're supposed to from the state." (1:26:14). He did not say which aid he meant. The state's main special-education aid to districts is catastrophic aid under RSA 186-C:18, III, which in the text in force in 2017 made the state liable for 80 percent of a child's costs above 3 1/2 times the state average expenditure per pupil, and provided that an insufficient appropriation is prorated proportionally, with no minimum share. A district receiving 60 percent of its calculated entitlement would therefore be consistent with the statute, not a breach of it, if the appropriation fell short. The figure itself is the chair's estimate and is not documented in the record.

Sources: RSA 186-C:18, III (2016 codification: 80 percent above 3 1/2 times average expenditure; proration "proportionally based on entitlement")

POSITIVE A district lead-screening policy built with the hospital and the city

The board brought a lead-screening policy to a second read, extended it to children entering pre-kindergarten after review by school nurses and Valley Regional Hospital's medical staff (0:06:09, 0:06:39), and worked with the city, the hospital and Southwestern Community Services on testing, grant money and outreach in public, on camera. The superintendent reported that "According to the state, we are the first district in New Hampshire that is has a school district policy" (0:07:37); this page did not verify that claim, and no statute verified for this page requires a school district to adopt such a policy. The policy text itself (the "green sheet") is not in the public record.

Sources: Cablecast: JOINT MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL AND SCHOOL BOARD 3-30-17; Dialogue/9010 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint033017.mp4.CSV (rows 26 to 32)

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