Claremont School Board, November 1, 2017

Regular meeting at which the board interviewed four candidates for the vacant seat, appointed Dr. Alex Herzog after a nonpublic session, heard the Claremont Middle School administration on bullying, and heard the superintendent argue against the board's $1.2 million reduction target for the FY2019 budget. The page is built from the CCTV recording's dialogue transcript; no agenda, packet or minutes survive in the district's online shares. Timestamps link to the same moment in the Cablecast recording.

Body
Claremont School Board (Claremont School District, SAU 6)
Date
Wednesday, November 1, 2017 (the superintendent's packet memo is dated "November 1st" and the board approves the "minutes from October 18th")
Start time
Not stated in available records. The recording opens with the pledge at 0:00:04. The board leaves for a nonpublic session after 1:00:53, and the recording resumes at 1:01:12; it did not run during the session, so the session's length is unknown. Sprague moves to adjourn at 3:08:11, and a brief announcement follows. The superintendent remarks "it's after 10:00" at 3:06:55.
Location
Not stated in available records. A staff member says the new sensory room is "here in this building" (3:08:52); the building is not named.
Recording
Cablecast: SCHOOL BOARD MEETING 11-1-17 (dialogue transcript runs 3:10:10; the chair notes at 2:07:25 that the Comcast feed "cut out again" while the meeting continued to be recorded)
Minutes
None located. MAP.md records no Drive material for this meeting: neither district share holds a year folder older than 2022, and the Meeting Minutes share starts at 2023 (checked 9/26/26).
Board composition
Seven seats. One was vacant at the call to order (Patrick Adrian's seat, "from November of this year until March" 2018, 0:18:33). Chris Irish was absent. Five members sat for the interviews and the appointment vote; Alex Herzog joined the board after his appointment at 1:02:29, making six present.

Participants

Names follow the project's 2015-2023 roster and attribution report; no minutes exist to confirm spellings. ASR renderings are noted where they differ.
NameRoleParticipation
Brian RappChairPresides throughout; runs the candidate interviews, calls the roll-call vote to enter nonpublic session, takes the appointment vote, and asks for a schedule of budget topics. The roll caller renders his name "Ryan" (0:00:41).
Chris IrishVice chairAbsent. The chair: “Chris Irish let me know he's out of state” (0:00:47).
Michelle PierceMemberMoves the nonpublic session and the appointment of Herzog; asks the bullying presenters about parent notification, investigation timelines and consistency between schools; argues for bringing out-of-district special education placements back to Claremont.
Frank SpragueMemberAsks each candidate about the district's most pressing problems; questions the administrator counts and asks for outcome data on the restructuring; moves to adjourn.
Michael PetrinMemberAsks each candidate for a five-year vision; on the budget, asks about duplicated technology services and the early-childhood staffing model. The roll caller renders his name "Pittman" (0:00:34).
Rebecca ZulloMemberAsks each candidate for three items in a board member's job description; questions the handbook as a way of informing parents; on the budget, asks the superintendent for a target figure and cites specific proposed line items.
Dr. Alex HerzogCandidate, then memberFormer board member; interviewed (0:45:07), appointed (1:02:29) and sworn in (1:03:19); then questions the bullying data and asks for comparative district data on the budget.
Jason BenwareCandidateInterviewed first (0:20:34); diarized with the chair's voice and credited to him by manual override on his self-identification. ASR renders the surname "Benoit" and "Ben, where".
George (surname not resolved)CandidateInterviewed second (0:31:50): a "45 year resident", former Claremont board member and chair, and for twelve years a business administrator in the Mascoma schools. The superintendent's call for him is transcribed as "Mr. Kookaburra" (0:31:26); the surname is not recoverable from the recording.
Caitlin KerrCandidateInterviewed fourth (0:54:23); moved to Claremont in the summer from Massachusetts.
Dr. Middleton McGoodwinSuperintendent, SAU 6Superintendent's report (voucher signatures; professional learning days); runs the interview format; presents the FY2019 budget background and opposes the $1.2 million reduction target. ASR renders the name "Doctor Goodwin", "doctor McComas" and "McGowan".
Cory LeClairAssistant superintendent (attribution probable)Asks the board how it wants the administrators' written answers delivered; says his section runs "about 40 pages" (2:53:15).
Nathan (surname not stated)SAU 6 staffExplains the 1.8 FTE administrative increase (2:22:29) and says an earlier administrator count was a "report error" (2:42:03).
Chris (surname not resolved)Special education administrator (inferred)Gives the out-of-district placement rate (2:45:47) and announces donations for the sensory room (3:08:24). The superintendent's slides refer to "Krispy Zo" and "Chris Pisa" arriving in 2016.
Paul Gerald (as transcribed)Principal, Claremont Middle SchoolCo-presents the bullying presentation (1:05:26).
Audra Buckland (as transcribed)Assistant principal, Claremont Middle SchoolCo-presents the bullying presentation; former school counselor, new to the district this year.
LexiStudent representativeGives the schools report (0:01:45) and asks the bullying presenters questions.
UnidentifiedRoll caller; oath officiantTakes the roll (0:00:34) and administers the oath (1:03:19); neither is named on the recording.
Citizens' comments: the chair opens the period at 0:16:45 and closes it at 0:16:53 with no speaker.

Order of business (reconstructed)

No agenda survives. The superintendent refers to the agenda and the packet several times, and the candidates were heard "as indicated on the agenda" in alphabetical order (0:17:12). The items below follow the chair's transitions.

Items in the order taken up, with dispositions heard on the recording
Taken upItemDisposition
0:00:04Pledge; roll callThe roll call is garbled (“Chris. Iris. Michael. Pittman, sir. Peter.”). The chair reports Irish absent.
0:01:10Agenda“We accept the agenda as presented.” Seconded; voice vote, no opposition heard.
0:01:16Minutes of October 18, 2017Moved (0:01:28), seconded by Pierce; voice vote, no opposition heard.
0:01:45Student representative's reportReport only.
0:11:57Superintendent's reportReport only; request for two members to sign vouchers weekly (see flag 3).
0:16:45Citizens' commentsNo speakers.
0:16:53School board vacancy: candidate interviewsFour candidates heard one at a time with the others outside the room: Benware (0:20:34), George (0:31:50), Herzog (0:45:07), Kerr (0:54:23).
1:00:14Nonpublic sessionPierce: “Please make a motion run in on public.” Seconded; the chair stops a voice vote (“It has to be. Roll call.”) and only Yes. answers are heard. No exemption is stated (flag 1). Out of nonpublic on a voice vote at 1:01:18.
1:01:59Appointment to the vacancyPierce moves to appoint Alex Herzog (1:02:10); seconded; voice vote with no opposition heard (1:02:24). Herzog sworn in at 1:03:19.
1:04:28Discussion: presentation on bullyingPresentation by the Claremont Middle School principal and assistant principal; no action.
2:05:37School district budget [FY]2018-2019Superintendent's presentation from 2:08:34, then board discussion; no action. The chair agrees to schedule budget topics (3:03:33).
3:08:11AdjournmentSprague moves to adjourn; the superintendent interrupts the vote for an announcement (3:08:15). The vote itself is not clearly heard.

Discussion timeline

Times are taken from the dialogue transcript (Dialogue/9406 SchoolBoard110117.mp4.CSV) and link into the recording.

Topics in order; hover or focus a summary to expand it
TimeTopicWhat was saidFlags
0:01:45Student reportSchool-by-school report: Bluff story night, open houses, spirit week, the Stevens physics bridge project, honors choir and all-state auditions, a December 16 craft fair, and fall sports results.
0:12:27Voucher signaturesSuperintendent: “We do need two school board members to volunteer, perhaps once a week to come to the Dow building and sign about these vouchers. Need school board signature, and it's a requirement of our auditors.” Then: “But this has not been done for some time, and so we have some catching up to do.” and “your signature indicates that you are approved our expenditures.” Petrin adds that it “doesn't have to be the same two all the time”.MEDIUM
0:14:09Professional learning universityThe first of five professional growth days was October 27, with “a combined total of 300 of our teachers and paraprofessionals participating side by side”, tied to the board-approved strategic action plan.
0:17:12Interview formatThe superintendent explains the format: the board picks one question per member from a packet list, each candidate answers the same questions while the others wait outside, and then “the board will go into a non public meeting or nonpublic session where you can deliberate and pick the man or woman”. The term runs “from November of this year until March of 2008”, corrected to 2018 at 0:18:45.POSITIVE
0:20:34Candidate: Jason BenwareEighteen-year resident with two children in the schools. On the five-year vision he speaks of unfunded federal mandates and the “continual increase in the cost to our town and the decrease in in what we're getting from outside of our town”. Three job qualities: value on education, care for kids, “Fiscal responsibility.”
0:31:50Candidate: George“Former school board member for, like, I don't know, forever. 7 or 8 years. I was chair for at least six of those.” Twelve years as a business administrator on a budget of “about a $21 million budget”, with “my last eight years straight with, qualified audits. Meaning, I mean, unqualified”. Says parents have abdicated responsibility and the board should support the administration and keep disputes inside the board.
0:45:07Candidate: Dr. Alex HerzogFormer board member, over 20 years in higher education, now commuting to a community college job in Concord; his wife teaches at Maple Avenue, which he discloses as “Completely transparent.” Names truancy and bullying as problems and describes the board as “generally a policymaking board”.
0:54:23Candidate: Caitlin KerrNew resident from Massachusetts, former private music teacher. Names “bullying and exclusion” as the pressing problem; wants a well-rounded program that does not “pigeon pull the students”.
1:00:14Nonpublic sessionThe motion as heard names no exemption: “Please make a motion run in on public.” The chair calls a roll call; two Yes. rows are heard (1:00:38, 1:00:48). The chair: “Everybody will be. Back in a bit.” The recording resumes at 1:01:12 and a voice vote takes the board out at 1:01:20.HIGH
1:01:28Appointment of Alex HerzogThe chair: “Very, very good people that applied. I'd like to encourage everybody to stay involved and please come to meetings.” Pierce moves “to make a motion to accept her”, then names “Oh, Alex.” Seconded; the vote is a voice vote with no opposition heard, and the chair turns to “Mr. Herzog.”OBSERVATION
1:03:19Oath of officeHerzog repeats the oath after an unidentified officiant; it closes at 1:04:15.
1:04:35Bullying presentation introducedThe superintendent: the middle school team is “here tonight at the request of the school board”, and theirs is “the first of three presentations”, with elementary and high school to follow.
1:08:13Adolescent developmentGerald and Buckland describe adolescent brain development and impulsivity as the frame for handling reports.
1:12:38Bullying statisticsNational surveys put self-reported bullying at about one in four to one in five students; in state data “3% of students report bullying and 2% of the students are actual bullying”. At the middle school: “20 were reported. And of that 2013 were found to be bullying” [20 reported, 13 founded]. Herzog asks for the counts behind the percentages (1:17:01).
1:22:57What counts as bullyingThe superintendent offers a pattern-based definition that “doesn't comply with the law” and explains why the New Hampshire definition treats a single incident as enough. Sprague emphasizes intent. Buckland: pattern, intent and power are what “almost every state across the country incorporates those into their definition except New Hampshire”.
1:31:41Discipline and reporting protocolRestorative approach; the handbook's bullying section is signed off by parents. Zullo: “How many parents do you think actually read the student handbook?” Buckland walks through her intake flowchart and form.
1:41:05Investigation timelineHerzog asks whether starting within five days is standard. Buckland: “So in New Hampshire, the law and this district's policy is 21 days to do an investigation.” Pierce repeats “the law states 21 days”. Parents of both students are called the same day and sent a letter (1:43:29).OBSERVATION
1:46:12Consistency across schoolsPierce asks whether the schools handle bullying the same way. The superintendent: “I read every bullying report that is written and I sign it and we keep a log.” He adds “The board are currently reviewing that policy.”
1:50:49Prevention and next stepsAdvisory groups and the Overcoming Obstacles curriculum; a parent forum planned for early December; a case study left with members; a request that the board review the bullying policy after all three presentations (1:57:40). Zullo asks the presenters to report what is “not working” in the policy.
2:07:25Broadcast outageThe chair tells viewers that “Comcast cut out again. We are recording.”
2:08:34Budget background: the November 1 memoThe superintendent calls the board's goal “reducing it, 1.2 million below the current budget” and says the administrative team worked on it until 6:00 that evening: “and we are struggling.” He cites the voucher bill: “the voucher Senate bill 193 I sent it to you yesterday.” and “The voucher system passes in the next week.” (SB 193 was not enacted; see the appendix note.)OBSERVATION
2:12:53Budget historyIncreases of less than 1%, 1% and then 5.8% when the Stevens renovation bond took effect; “If it had not been a bond, the budget over that same period would have been 1.43% increase.” Last year: “one quarter of 1% increase, a $31 million budget, and the increase was 78,000.” He argues taxes “aren't being driven by the school budget”.
2:18:27Special education costsSpecial education spending has gone down since a 2016 hire, “Not because the number of children have been decreasing, but because of different strategies.” Out-of-district placement costs were “2.5 million in 2013.”
2:21:20The September 30 directive“Each school board member in attendance September 30th believe there may be potential savings. We want to understand where you're coming from.” See flag 6 on the September 30 session.OBSERVATION
2:21:42Staffing and administratorsTeacher numbers down over ten years; enrollment about 14 students different from last year. Nathan: the “1.8 FTE” increase is an adult education coordinator and a preschool coordinator, offset by a reduced middle school assistant principal position.
2:24:12Why the restructuring was doneThe superintendent recounts a 2011 finding that teachers “weren't being observed, teachers weren't being evaluated”, a February 2013 no-confidence vote against him, and transition problems between schools, as the reasons for today's curriculum and supervision positions: “These positions in place today aren't by coincidence.”
2:29:43Superintendent's appeal“we're not out of control. We're pretty lean.” and “This isn't a challenge to you, but we're struggling by going toward this directive. We're going to undo what's in place.”
2:32:43Zullo's questionsZullo asks that staff not hear that “with the school board requesting $1.2 million cuts, you guys should be all afraid of your losing your jobs”. Asked for a target, the superintendent says “a minimal increase of less than less than 1% increase.” She cites proposed lines: software and technology use $60,000, professional development $13,000, business office contracted services 55,000 and business office software 45,000 (2:37:33, 2:38:14).
2:39:24"Out of control"Zullo objects to the phrase about special education; the superintendent: “That's what the board has said, not me.” Pierce explains her questions about out-of-district costs and a possible partnership with Brattleboro (2:43:03).
2:41:26Administrator count errorSprague: earlier information showed “five administrators there” at the high school. Nathan: “Yeah, that was incorrect. It was it was a report error.”
2:44:25Requests for dataHerzog and Sprague ask for comparative and outcome data; Chris: out-of-district placements run “about 1.6 1.7%” against a national 3 to 4%. Sprague asks for course failure rates after 2012.
2:51:32How the administration should answerLeClair asks the board's preferred format. The chair: “answering the list would help. You could have it by section like it is. And if it gets put up on the website, that's great.” LeClair agrees to “just put it out there publicly”.
2:56:59Petrin on efficiencies“making sure we're not duplicating services”, naming technology staff against outside contracts and the early-childhood model of “three teachers, teaching five half days”. The superintendent replies the program is required for identified children and saves money against outside placement (2:58:20).
3:06:17Results of the restructuringSprague: “We have not seen any progressive data showing us that this all these programing, prevention, staffing as yielded a result.” The superintendent points to the curriculum website; Sprague asks what the ninth-grade English failure rate is now.
3:08:11Adjournment; sensory roomMotion to adjourn; Chris thanks Sherwin-Williams for donated painting supplies and a local pizzeria for donated food for the sensory room. Pierce asks whether there is a “Protocol when we get these gifts”.

Items flagged for review

These flags are a reviewer's aid, not findings of violation and not legal advice. Each one names the rule it rests on, as that rule read on November 1, 2017, or is labeled an observation where no verified rule applies.

HIGH The motion to enter nonpublic session states no exemption

RSA 91-A:3, I(b), in the text in force for 2017, provides that "Any motion to enter nonpublic session shall state on its face the specific exemption under paragraph II," and requires a recorded roll call. The motion heard at 1:00:18 is “Please make a motion run in on public.” No exemption is named before or after it, and the chair's correction at 1:00:26 concerns only the roll call. The roll call was held, which partly meets the statute, but only unattributed Yes. answers can be heard, so how each member voted is not on the record. The purpose, stated in advance by the superintendent, was to deliberate on the four vacancy candidates (0:17:46). Which paragraph II ground would fit is itself unclear: II(b) covers "The hiring of any person as a public employee", and an appointee to an elected board is an officer rather than an employee; II(c) covers matters likely to affect a person's reputation. The minutes, if any existed, might record an exemption, but the statute requires the motion itself to state it. Mitigation on the record: the appointment vote was taken in public (1:02:24), and RSA 91-A:3, III's 72-hour disclosure duty for nonpublic minutes cannot be tested because no minutes of either kind survive.

Sources: RSA 91-A:3, I(b), II(b)-(c), III (2016 codification; source note ends 2016, 30:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2017)

MEDIUM No agenda, packet or minutes for this meeting survive in any district share

MAP.md records no Drive material for this meeting: the district's shares hold no year folder older than 2022, and the Meeting Minutes share starts at 2023. The recording is the only public account of a meeting that filled a board seat and set the terms of the FY2019 budget debate. RSA 91-A:2, II, in the text in force for 2017, required minutes including "the names of members, persons appearing before the public bodies, and a brief description of the subject matter discussed and final decisions", "open to public inspection not more than 5 business days after the meeting". This page applies the MEDIUM limb of the project's severity rule because the record mitigates the gap: the board approves the October 18 minutes on tape (0:01:16), and the superintendent refers to a packet and an agenda (0:12:27, 1:04:35), so the board was producing these documents. The 2017 statute required minutes to be open to inspection, not posted online, so their absence from today's shares does not show they were never available. What is missing is any public copy now.

Sources: RSA 91-A:2, II (2016 codification; source note ends 2016, 29:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2017)

MEDIUM Board signatures on vouchers had "not been done for some time"

The superintendent asked for two members to come weekly to sign vouchers, a requirement he attributed to the district's auditors, and said “But this has not been done for some time, and so we have some catching up to do.” (0:13:02). RSA 197:23-a provides that the district treasurer "shall pay out the same only upon orders of the school board or upon orders of the 2 or more members of the school board empowered by the school board as a whole to authorize payments." The two-member signing the superintendent describes is that mechanism. His statement that it had lapsed, with signatures to be caught up afterwards, suggests a period in which payments were made before board orders were signed. The recording does not say how long the lapse ran, whether the board approved manifests in some other form during it, or whether the board as a whole had empowered particular members. A probable control gap, not a confirmed breach; the treasurer's records for 2017 would settle it.

Sources: RSA 197:23-a (2017 codification; source note ends 2015, 272:45, eff. Oct. 1, 2015)

OBSERVATION "The law ... is 21 days" does not match the bullying statute

The assistant principal told the board that “in New Hampshire, the law and this district's policy is 21 days to do an investigation” (1:41:17), and a member repeated it (1:42:49). RSA 193-F:4, II, as codified in 2017, requires the district policy to provide for an investigation "to be initiated within 5 school days of the reported incident", with the completion period set by the policy and a superintendent's extension "for up to an additional 7 school days"; the number 21 does not appear in the section. A 21-day completion period may well be the district's own policy choice, which the statute permits, but it is not a state-law requirement. The middle school's practice as described (starting within five days, same-day calls to both families, followed by a letter, 1:43:29) is consistent with the statute's initiation and parent-notification terms. The section was later amended (2025, 57:1, eff. Aug. 1, 2025); the 2017 text governs this meeting.

Sources: RSA 193-F:4, II(h), II(j) (2017 codification; source note ends 2010, 155:2)

OBSERVATION The appointment tally cannot be read from the recording

Herzog was appointed on a voice vote (1:02:24); the transcript renders the chair's call and the response as “I opposed.”, with no dissent audible and no tally announced. Five members were present to vote, Irish being absent. The deliberation that chose among the four candidates took place in the nonpublic session flag 1 discusses, so the public record of the choice consists of the motion and an untallied voice vote. RSA 91-A:2, II required the minutes to record "final decisions"; no minutes survive to supply the count. RSA 671:33, II(a) required the board to fill the vacancy and provides that the appointee serves "until the next district election".

Sources: RSA 91-A:2, II (2016 codification); RSA 671:33, II(a) (2017 codification; source note ends 2017, 3:2, eff. May 30, 2017)

OBSERVATION The $1.2 million directive comes from a September 30 session the corpus does not hold

The superintendent's presentation is a response to a reduction target set by the board at a session on September 30, 2017: “Each school board member in attendance September 30th believe there may be potential savings.” (2:21:20), and “from your work in late September” (2:31:16). The October 4 recording takes up a review of the September 30 budget study session, and on October 18 the board asks for the minutes of that session (Dialogue/9354 SchoolBoard100417.mp4.CSV; Dialogue/9385 SchoolBoard101817.mp4.CSV). MAP.md has no section, recording or document for September 30, 2017 (a Saturday). The session that produced the budget's governing number is therefore outside the public record this project can reach. Two related points of context: the superintendent's forecast that the Senate Bill 193 voucher program “passes in the next week” did not come true (the House referred it to interim study on May 2, 2018, and it was not enacted, per LegiScan's bill history), and the administrator count earlier given to the board was withdrawn as a “report error” (2:42:03).

Sources: Dialogue/9385 SchoolBoard101817.mp4.CSV; LegiScan, NH SB 193 (2017) bill history (secondary source)

POSITIVE The vacancy was filled through public interviews on common questions

RSA 671:33, II(a) requires only that the board fill the vacancy. The board went further: all four applicants were interviewed in public session, each was asked the same five member-chosen questions from a list in the packet, and each answered while the others waited outside (0:17:46). A viewer can compare every candidate's answers to the same questions, from Benware at 0:22:32 to Kerr at 0:55:27. The chair closed by asking the unsuccessful applicants to “stay involved and please come to meetings”. The weak point is the private deliberation and untallied vote that followed (flags 1 and 5), not the interviews.

Sources: RSA 671:33, II(a) (2017 codification)

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