Claremont School Board & City Council, Joint Meeting, January 30, 2018

Quarterly joint meeting of two public bodies, the Claremont School Board and the Claremont City Council, chaired jointly by the school board chair and the mayor. It heard a proposal to test household pets for lead, previewed the governor's ceremonial signing of the lead bill, and set community-wide priorities for 2018. No agenda or minutes survive in the district's online shares, so the order of business below is reconstructed from the recording's dialogue transcript. Timestamps link to the same moment in the Cablecast recording.

Bodies
Claremont School Board and Claremont City Council, meeting jointly. Each is a separate public body with its own quorum; the City Council has nine members (city charter, per the project's anchors file).
Date
Tuesday, January 30, 2018. The chair refers to the school board's "meeting tomorrow night" (0:01:45), consistent with the board's recorded meeting of January 31, 2018.
Start time
Not stated on the recording or in any available record. The chair opens the meeting at 0:00:12; the mayor says she "promised everybody two hours" (1:55:49); adjournment by voice vote at 2:01:59. The dialogue transcript runs 2:02:07.
Location
Not stated in available records or on the recording.
Recording
Cablecast: JOINT MEETING: COUNCIL & SCHOOL BOARD 1-30 (the gallery title carries a leading space; transcript length 2:02:07; appears complete from the Pledge of Allegiance to adjournment)
Minutes
None located in the district's shares. MAP.md records no Drive material for this meeting: neither district share holds a year folder older than 2022, and the Meeting Minutes share starts at 2023 (checked 9/26/26). The City Council's minutes would sit with the city clerk, whose records were not inspected for this page.
Board composition
School board of seven, four seats on the March 13, 2018 ballot: three three-year seats and the one-year seat held by Dr. Alex Herzog, "filling in for Patrick Adrian" (0:03:31). Six school board members are heard or named on the recording; Vice Chair Chris Irish is not.

Participants

Everyone heard or named on the recording. There are no minutes to check spellings against; names follow the project's 2015-2023 roster where it verifies them, and the transcribed form is kept in the participation cell. Councilors the recording does not name stay Unidentified.
NameRoleParticipation
Brian RappChair, Claremont School BoardOpens the meeting and leads the Pledge (0:00:12); reports school board business: the budget meeting the next night, the deliberative session, and the seats on the March ballot (0:01:45 to 0:03:31). The mayor calls him "Chair Wrap" (0:05:12). Thanks the mayor for her work on lead (0:26:54) and says the out-of-district facility search is "a matter of finding a place" (1:32:37).
Michelle PierceSchool board memberAnswers the school board roll ("Michelle Pierce here", in a row the transcript gives to the clerk, 0:01:02). Proposes a place on the city website for student reviews (1:00:54), raises mental-health access (1:15:41), objects that the board is "speaking for four people who aren't here" when the April date is set (1:14:34), and seconds adjournment (2:01:53).
Frank SpragueSchool board memberRecognized by the chair ("Oh, Frank", 0:44:40). Explains what he calls "the Zillow effect" and the state's arrangement with GreatSchools (0:44:50); raises bringing out-of-district students back to Claremont through a partnership with the Brattleboro Retreat (1:28:44). Attribution rests on one direct address; see the method note.
Rebecca ZulloSchool board member; answers the council roll as a councilorThe council roll includes "Councilor Zullo here" (0:01:17); the project roster records her as a city councilor in 2018 as well as a school board member. Suggests involving Stevens students in the online-presence work (1:00:18), asks for specific goals if health is chosen (1:21:37), and asks why the tech center could not house the day program (1:39:16).
Dr. Alex HerzogSchool board member (one-year seat)Named by the chair as holding the seat "filling in for Patrick Adrian" (0:03:31). Supports a public information function (0:54:30) and proposes a community climate survey (1:02:49).
Michael PetrinSchool board memberCredited by the mayor with the motion to adjourn ("Mr. Patron" [Petrin], 2:01:59). No other row is attributed to him.
Chris IrishVice Chair, Claremont School BoardNot heard or named on the recording. Attendance cannot be established because the school board roll call is largely inaudible.
Charlene LovettMayor; co-presidesAnswers the council roll (0:01:17); runs the council side and the priorities discussion. Presents the household-pet lead project and the SB 247 signing, proposes five candidate priorities (0:34:15), calls the consensus (1:11:13), and reports HB 413 and HB 525 figures (1:57:52 to 1:59:55).
Allen DamrenAssistant MayorAnswers the council roll as "Assistant mayor Damron" (0:01:17). Mentioned by a presenter as one of the city officials the Kimball Union group met (0:12:52).
Scott PopeCity Councilor; states a role in the school districtAddressed as "Councilor Pope" (0:48:33) and by the superintendent as Scott (1:40:49). Speaks of "my other hat that I have in the Claremont School District" (1:22:31) and of students "from my program" in the trades (1:47:05). Argues that review sites rest on very small samples (0:48:51) and leads the workforce-development discussion (1:43:59).
Abigail KierCity CouncilorRecognized as "councilor care" and "council care" (0:43:50, 1:05:22). Urges claiming review-site listings (0:43:58), upgrading the city website (1:05:29), and a culture week or international festival (1:56:02).
Councilor StoneCity CouncilorAnswers the council roll (0:01:17). The project roster identifies a Councilor Jonathan Stone in 2018.
Councilor O'Hearn (as transcribed)City CouncilorFirst name in the council roll (0:01:17). Spelling unverified; not in the project roster.
Unidentified councilors (at least three voices)City CouncilorsA councilor with a business on TripAdvisor who proposes a review-response policy and a shared public information officer (0:49:59 to 0:54:18); a councilor thanked as "Councilwoman" (1:09:39); a councilor who says she "brought about forced inspections for welfare" (1:27:26, 1:27:52); a voice asking how many students are placed out of district (1:34:06). The council roll also carries three unnamed "Councilor. Here." answers (0:01:17).
Ryan McNuttCity Manager"Yes, Mr. McNutt" (0:23:20). Reports lead-line removal in the water system (0:28:34), the code-enforcement task force (1:25:07), the payback on a retrofitted building (1:38:14) and the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston's Working Cities Challenge (1:51:53).
Middleton McGoodwinSuperintendent, SAU 6"superintendent of schools" (0:21:09). Welcomes the lead project, speaks at length on communication and online ratings (0:39:48), the five-year action plan (1:03:35), out-of-district day placements (1:29:54), the tech center (1:39:31) and the adequacy reduction (2:00:31).
Mary WoodmanSchool district clerk; school board recording secretaryCalls the school board roll (0:01:02, 0:01:11); reports the filing deadline and who had filed (0:02:51 to 0:03:17). Describes her grandchildren's extended learning opportunities, saying "I've been serving here as secretary for too many years" (1:10:34). Her cluster absorbs many short fragments from other voices.
UnidentifiedCalls the council rollThe council roll call (0:01:17); the project's attribution report reads this as the city clerk, not Woodman. Not named on the recording.
Dan KellyVeterinarian, emergency clinic in LebanonIntroduces himself (0:06:22); "Doctor Kelly" (0:10:44). Describes the case that prompted the project and the Michigan State study after Flint (0:07:34, 0:17:35).
Mike (surname transcribed "Van Andel", unverified)Faculty member, Kimball Union Academy"I'm Mike and a faculty member at Kimball Union Academy" (in Kelly's row, 0:06:22); the mayor's "Mr. Van. Andel." (0:19:47, 0:19:49). Presents the lead-testing project's design, timing and questionnaire (0:08:10 to 0:17:12).
A Kimball Union Academy studentResearch project leadPresent with the presenters; does not speak. The mayor introduces her by first name and country of origin; this page does not repeat them.

Order of business (reconstructed)

No agenda survives. The items below follow the chair's and the mayor's transitions on the recording; the mayor refers to "the second agenda item under New Business" (0:05:39) and "next on the agenda" (0:24:28), so a written agenda existed.

Items in the order taken up, with what was decided. Wording in quotation marks is from the recording.
Taken upItemWhat happened
0:00:12Call to order; Pledge of AllegianceThe school board chair opens the "joined meeting of the council and school board" and leads the Pledge.
0:00:45Roll callsSchool board roll: only "Michelle Pierce here" and "And Brian here" are legible. Council roll (0:01:17): Councilors O'Hearn and Stone, Assistant Mayor Damren, Councilor Zullo, three unnamed "Councilor. Here." answers, "Councilor. Post here" (probably Pope), and Mayor Charlene Lovett. See flag 2.
0:01:34Citizens' forum"Anybody for citizens comments? Citizens forum." No one speaks, and the chair closes it (0:01:45).
0:01:45New business: school boardBudget meeting the next night; deliberative session "February 7th" at "Stephens Auditorium" at 6:30, to be carried live on CCTV after a practice run (0:02:17). Candidate filing for the March election closes Friday, February 2, at 4:00 at the SAU office (0:02:56 to 0:04:05); four seats are open (0:03:31). See flag 4.
0:04:09Council updatesThe mayor recommends the council's January 24 presentation on the New Hampshire Retirement System; second reading and public hearing on the school-zone ordinance change at the council's February 14 meeting (0:05:12).
0:05:39Presentation: testing household pets for leadDr. Dan Kelly and a Kimball Union Academy faculty member propose blood tests for dogs and cats in March or early April to look for a link between pets' and household members' lead levels. The mayor states that both bodies support the project (0:23:51). No vote.
0:24:28Ceremonial signing of SB 247 (the lead bill)The governor will sign SB 247 in Claremont on Thursday, February 8, at 10 a.m., at "the sugar River ballroom at the Common Man restaurant" (0:26:08), open to all. The city manager reports on lead-component removal in the water system (0:28:34).
0:32:52Community-wide priorities for 2018The mayor's list: online presence, securing and stabilizing state funding, a culture of equality, health, and the economy (0:34:15 to 0:36:45). Consensus, described by the mayor as "unanimous consensus", on online presence (1:11:13), with the superintendent and city manager to return with a plan. Also discussed: mental health and housing, an in-district day program for students now placed out of district (cost analysis requested), workforce development and the tech center, and a culture week. Next joint meeting proposed for April 17 (1:13:26).
1:57:52Legislation: HB 413 and HB 525The mayor will draft a joint letter on HB 413 (retirement system) before the House vote and a second joint letter to the House Finance Committee on HB 525 (adequacy). No vote recorded.
2:01:48AdjournmentThe mayor asks for a motion; Pierce says Second. (2:01:53); the mayor credits the motion to "Mr. Patron" [Petrin] and calls a voice vote: "All those in favor? Say aye. We're adjourned." (2:01:59).

Discussion timeline

Times are taken from the dialogue transcript (Dialogue/9592 SchoolBoardCityCouncilJoint013018.mp4.CSV) and link into the recording.

Topics in order. Quotations are as transcribed; bracketed words are corrections.
TimeTopicWhat was saidFlags
0:01:45School board scheduleChair Rapp: the board meets "tomorrow night" for "some finalized figures on the budget"; "February 7th is our deliberative session, and that's going to be at Stephens Auditorium." He adds that CCTV and Comcast "have done a practice run so that it can be telecast live" (0:02:17). The deliberative session's recording is filed as February 8, 2018 (MAP.md section 59); this page does not resolve the difference.
0:02:51Candidate filingWoodman: filing for school board ends "On Friday at 4:00." Asked who has filed, she says "I think, Mr. Benoit [Benware] had signed up and I signed up for school district" (0:03:17). Rapp: "We have three, three, three year seats that are coming up and one one year seats", the one-year seat being Herzog's (0:03:31); the mayor confirms "February 2nd." (0:04:05).POSITIVE
0:04:09Retirement-system presentation; school zonesMayor Lovett: the council heard "an excellent presentation on the New Hampshire Retirement System on the 24th of January", relevant because "we're all paying into it, either the school district side or the city side" (0:04:45). The school-zone ordinance gets its "second reading and public hearing" on February 14 (0:05:12).
0:06:35Lead in pets: the caseDr. Kelly: his clinic tested about 60 patients without significant findings "Until we tested one of our technicians dogs and tested with extremely high lead levels"; the technician's daughter had also tested high and lived in Claremont (0:07:09). "So we have a correlation of 100%... Unfortunately, it's N of one." (0:07:34).
0:08:10Lead in pets: the study designThe Kimball Union presenter: "62% of homes in New Hampshire were built before lead was banned from paints" (0:09:14); because of HIPAA the project cannot target families with known exposure and hopes they will come forward (0:11:10); a pet test may cost "less $10 or less" (0:11:36); data collection in late March or early April, one weekday evening and one weekend day, with an anonymous questionnaire (0:13:49 to 0:15:23). Stevens students could help run the clinics and use the raw data (0:16:13).
0:17:25Flint study; Claremont's housing stockDr. Kelly: a Michigan State veterinarian found elevated levels in pets after the Flint crisis, the only comparable study he found (0:17:35). The mayor: the state figure for pre-1978 homes is 62%, but "Here in Claremont is 84.1%, because we are one of the 21 highest risk communities in the state" (0:19:50). The superintendent welcomes a partnership (0:21:09); the city manager asks that any curriculum be shared with SAU 6 schools (0:23:22). The mayor: the project has "this full support of the school board in city council" (0:23:51). No vote was taken.
0:24:28SB 247 signingThe mayor recalls that in December 2016 the two bodies made lead "a community wide priority"; the governor "specifically mentioned what we had been doing in Claremont" and will sign SB 247 here "on February 8th at 10 a.m.." (0:25:26). Rapp thanks her for her leadership (0:26:54).
0:28:34Lead in the water systemCity Manager McNutt: since about 2013-2014 the water division has used the state funding mechanism "called CRF" and "we've spent about a half $1 million"; "We've removed approximately 150 lead containing components" (0:29:11). The mayor: "we haven't had any lead poisoning from our water distribution system" (0:31:09); identified components to be done this year (0:31:41). The superintendent recalls the water division's help when a resident worried about school water after Flint (0:32:22).
0:32:52Setting 2018 prioritiesThe mayor's starting sheet (0:33:47): online presence and "how that's negatively impacting our efforts to broaden our tax base and grow" (0:34:15); securing and stabilizing state funding (0:34:47); after "the incident we had last August with the eight year old boy", a culture of equality (0:35:20); health (0:35:44); and the economy, including whether to combine financial departments of the city and school district, "I'm not saying that's a good idea, a bad idea" (0:36:14). An online rating site gave Claremont "a grade of C" against Lebanon's A minus (0:38:01, 0:38:30).
0:39:48Online ratings and communicationSuperintendent McGoodwin: he "became a bit angry or or frustrated by a rating of C minus for the Claremont School District" (0:39:48); "we don't communicate well" (0:40:55); he wants "regularly scheduled communication venues" (0:42:06). Sprague: the ratings rest on "smarter balanced test results, solely one data point", and the state has an agreement with GreatSchools (0:45:09); the superintendent says that assessment is "actually going away" (0:46:25). Councilor Pope: some ratings rest on samples of "Three, four, five, ten" (0:48:51); later, Zillow shows four reviews, the oldest 11 years old (0:58:35). The superintendent: Lebanon has "a full time communication person" (0:59:13).
0:49:59Responding to reviews; a shared information officerAn unidentified councilor with a business: claim the listings and adopt "a policy on how you respond" (0:50:58); "at some point we should be discussing a public information officer shared responsibilities again." (0:53:53), "In in a budget session." (0:54:18). Dr. Herzog agrees on a public information function (0:54:30) and proposes "a climate survey" (1:02:49). The superintendent cites community data gathered for the five-year action plan with a Nellie Mae Foundation grant (1:03:35). Councilor Kier: the master-plan committee's community survey and the city website (1:05:29).
1:00:18Students and the city websiteZullo: involve Stevens students. Pierce: a place on the city's site "where the kids can put reviews in about the schools" (1:00:54), because the city website is "our official website" and not social media (1:02:13). Woodman describes extended learning opportunities her grandchildren used and says "nobody knows about those l o programs" (1:10:13).
1:06:46Consensus on online presenceThe mayor asks each member in turn; answers include Pope's "I do feel this is a priority." (1:07:53) and Sprague's "I've been talking about this for a year." (1:07:58). One voice asks for a task force rather than tasking "two individuals that already have a full workload" (1:08:10). The mayor: "So now we have unanimous we have consensus, unanimous consensus that we are going to focus on this" (1:11:13); the superintendent and city manager are to return with a plan. The individual answers are only partly legible and no formal vote was taken.OBSERVATION
1:13:26Next joint meetingApril 17 proposed. Pierce: "four of us are going to be up the school board. We're completely changed in March." (1:14:09) and "I just feel like we're speaking for four people who aren't here." (1:14:34). The mayor makes it an agenda item for follow-up (1:14:53) and calls the goal "medium term" (1:15:05).
1:15:41Mental health and housingPierce: "everybody's on a waiting list or can't get help" (1:15:41). Rapp: "There's just there are no beds anywhere." (1:16:58). The superintendent describes behavioral needs arising from adverse childhood experiences and limited resources (1:19:00 to 1:21:19). Zullo asks for "specific goals" (1:21:37). Pope, speaking "from my other hat that I have in the Claremont School District", says the issue "is not just a socioeconomic thing" (1:22:31). McNutt: housing "is the basis for 86% of our tax base" (1:24:39); the city's code-enforcement task force targets landlords exploiting vulnerable tenants (1:25:07, 1:25:39). An unidentified councilor lists poverty and housing together (1:27:26).OBSERVATION
1:28:34An in-district day program for students placed out of districtSprague: the district sends "A lot of kids for behavior and many other things" out, and a partnership with the Brattleboro Retreat has been discussed (1:28:39, 1:28:44). The superintendent: "it's been a four year journey attempting to find a local residence and converted into a an on site school" (1:29:54); a house beside Stevens was priced out (1:30:37); out-of-district transport and placements cost "millions of dollars" a year (1:31:57). Asked for numbers, Zullo says "I think it's two, right?" (1:34:14), Pierce "I think 18" (1:34:22), and the superintendent "close to 20" but "I don't want to guess" (1:34:25). McNutt: a retrofit at "a half $1 million" or "even if it costs $750,000" would pay back (1:38:14, 1:38:26). Pope asks for "real costs nailed down" for the next meeting (1:38:42); the mayor asks for a cost analysis including staffing (1:41:50, 1:43:01).OBSERVATION
1:39:16The tech centerZullo asks why the tech center could not house the program. The superintendent describes "the Massachusetts model, which is a, a school within a school" for career training (1:39:31) and asks that the tech center be "a running topic" of the joint meetings (1:49:31).
1:43:59Workforce developmentCouncilor Pope: worker shortages in skilled trades have been "a topic since 1997" (1:43:59); "when I hear about let's start at other task force on workforce development, I almost want to scream" (1:44:30); he asks how to leverage grants "beyond the Perkins grant" for high-school feeder programs (1:45:32) and calls for "high quality workforce housing" (1:47:56).OBSERVATION
1:51:00Working Cities ChallengeMcNutt: the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston's Working Cities Challenge may come to New Hampshire and Vermont; "I believe the awards we're talking about are $400,000 over three years" (1:52:52). He suggests a four-year standalone vocational school as Claremont's "systems change" (1:54:32) and believes Department of Education "rules or regulations" stand in the way (1:55:37). These are his characterizations; no rule was identified.
1:56:02Culture and equalityCouncilor Kier proposes "some kind of a culture week or an international festival" (1:56:56). The mayor announces an event in the second half of February for Black History Month (1:57:11).
1:57:52HB 413 and HB 525Mayor Lovett: if HB 413 passes, "the city would save $124,097 on an annual basis. The school district would save $217,718 on an annual basis", combined "$341,815, which is about $0.49 on the tax." (1:58:21; the two parts do sum to that total). A joint letter will go to every representative before the February 7 House vote; the bill "failed to pass by six votes" (1:59:19). HB 525, "a 4% annual reduction in state adequacy grants", is in House Finance (1:59:55). The superintendent: the adequacy reduction for fiscal year 19 "is adding $0.38 per thousand to the tax rate" (2:00:31); Rapp: "it's another $0.38 that's getting taken away" every year (2:01:08). Bill descriptions are the speakers'; this page did not verify them.POSITIVE
2:01:48Adjournment"So motion to adjourn." Pierce: Second. The mayor: "I didn't make the motion. I'm just asking." (2:01:54), then "So you made the emotion, Mr. Patron. And who seconded? All those in favor? Say aye. We're adjourned." (2:01:59).

Items flagged for review

These flags are a reviewer's aid, not findings of violation and not legal advice. Each one names the rule it rests on, as that rule read on January 30, 2018, or is labeled an observation where no verified rule applies. A joint meeting is a meeting of two public bodies; what this page can say about the City Council's records is limited, because the city's records were not inspected.

MEDIUM No agenda or minutes for the school board side of this meeting survive in any district share

The mayor's references to "the second agenda item under New Business" (0:05:39) and "next on the agenda" (0:24:28) show that a written agenda existed, and the school district clerk, who says she has served "as secretary for too many years" (1:10:34), called the school board roll (0:01:02). Neither document is in the district's shares: MAP.md records that no share holds a year folder older than 2022. RSA 91-A:2, II, as it read in 2018, required minutes with "the names of members, persons appearing before the public bodies, and a brief description of the subject matter discussed and final decisions", open to inspection "not more than 5 business days after the meeting". This page applies the MEDIUM limb of the project's severity rule: the recording shows a recording secretary at the table, and the gap matches the reach of the district's online archive rather than anything specific to this meeting. The City Council's own minutes belong to the city clerk and were not checked, so this flag makes no finding about them.

Sources: RSA 91-A:2, II (2017 codification; source note ends 2017, 165:1 and 234:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2018: the text in force for all of 2018)

OBSERVATION Neither body's attendance can be fully read from the recording, and the priority "consensus" was not a vote

Only two school board answers are legible ("Michelle Pierce here" and "And Brian here", 0:01:02, 0:01:11). Six school board members are heard or named during the meeting; Vice Chair Chris Irish is not. The council roll (0:01:17) names five members and the mayor and carries three unnamed answers, which would put the council at or near its full nine, but the names cannot all be recovered. Under RSA 91-A:2, I a meeting is "the convening of a quorum" of a public body, so each body's quorum matters separately. The meeting's one outcome, online presence as a joint priority, was reached by the mayor asking around the table; she calls it "unanimous consensus" (1:11:13). No motion or vote was taken, which was appropriate for a statement of direction, but it means the record of who agreed rests on partly inaudible answers (1:06:46 to 1:09:40). Minutes would settle both points.

Sources: RSA 91-A:2, I and II (2017 codification; in force for 2018); Claremont City Charter sec. 16 and 21 (nine councilors; majority is a quorum), as recorded in the project's anchors file

OBSERVATION The out-of-district placement count and cost were not known at the table, and a councilor with a district role spoke to district matters

The superintendent described out-of-district day placements as costing "millions of dollars" a year (1:31:57) and the in-district program as "a four year journey" (1:29:54), but when asked how many students were placed, three answers ranged from "I think it's two, right?" to "I think 18" to "close to 20" (1:34:14, 1:34:22, 1:34:25), and the superintendent declined to guess. A cost analysis and staffing estimate were requested for April 17 (1:43:01). The district's own placement report or budget line would settle the figures; neither is in the record. Separately, Councilor Pope spoke of "my other hat that I have in the Claremont School District" and said he had "to be a little bit careful as to how I speak" (1:22:31); he describes students "from my program" in the trades (1:47:05). Councilor Zullo answered the council roll while also sitting as a school board member (0:01:17). Both roles were stated openly on the record. This page did not verify whether any statute or the city charter addresses holding these roles together, and it draws no conclusion from them.

Sources: the recording; no rule cited

POSITIVE Filing deadline, seats and fiscal effects stated in public, and a comment period offered though not then required

The clerk and chair told viewers when candidate filing closed ("On Friday at 4:00", 0:02:56; "February 2nd.", 0:04:05), how many seats were open and which seat was a one-year term (0:03:31). That matches RSA 669:19's filing period, which for the March 13, 2018 election ran from January 24 to February 2. The chair opened a citizens' forum (0:01:34) four and a half years before RSA 189:74 required a school board comment period (2022, 333:1, eff. Sept. 6, 2022). The mayor gave the dollar effect of HB 413 for each body (1:58:21), and the chair announced that the deliberative session would be carried live (0:02:17).

Sources: RSA 669:19 (2017 codification; source note ends 2011, 40:1): filing period, applied to school districts by RSA 671:19; RSA 189:74 (2022, 333:1, eff. Sept. 6, 2022; not law on this date)

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